answer from david miliband
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northeast1
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I will be the first to say it then.
EDIT!!!! Watch ya language please Richie.
Looks like the cash will be doing nothing for helpping the fish stocks grown then.
Game over lads in a few years time..course fishing here i come lol
EDIT!!!! Watch ya language please Richie.
Looks like the cash will be doing nothing for helpping the fish stocks grown then.
Game over lads in a few years time..course fishing here i come lol
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pottsy
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I look forward to continued constructive engagement
mark
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In a nutshell - you pay your money, the commercials carry on as they are, there's nothing to help fish stocks, but we are going to put bag limits on fish - "design and introduction of management measures to reflect anglers interests in certain species"
not that much for us then really
I'd still pay for one if it gets rid of some of the numpties
does this include boat fishing??
if its just shore angling, and seeing as I haven't cast a line from english shores for nearly 2 years (plenty from scottish ones though) I might not bother
not that much for us then really
I'd still pay for one if it gets rid of some of the numpties
does this include boat fishing??
if its just shore angling, and seeing as I haven't cast a line from english shores for nearly 2 years (plenty from scottish ones though) I might not bother
Hedley
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I have watched the threads on proposed sea fishing licences for some time and wheresas it would undoubtedly be a good thing for Govt to spend on preserving fish stocks and other environnental issues - IN MY VIEW A LICENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!!!
Having worked for 31 years at quite a senior level in the Civil Service, which included dealing with Ministerial Correspondance, Parliamentary Questions and advising Ministers on policy and policy implications, I can tell you that only part (small?) of any money raised by way of a licence would be spent the way both NESA members and any responsible sea angler would wish. Any Chancellor, no matter what his political persuasion, sees only TAX REVENUE and he has total control over where monies are directed. Simple examples - not all tax received from Nat Ins/ Road Fund Licensing is spent on health/roads etc - only a percentage of it - the remainder drops into The Treasury coffers to be allocated elsewhere as The Chancellor decides. If monies so collected were to be so directed we would be the healthiest nation on earth with the best transport infrastructure too!!!!
Raising the profile of fish stocks and associated issues is to be encouraged but the only positive and productive way forward is to persuade either one of the major parties or the party in power to adopt these strategies as formal policy to be weaved into their respective manifestos thus demonstrating a clear commitment to the electorate, not to look at the issue as a means of levying another tax!
Others my disagree with my views, but they are based on informed opinion and experience of how Govt works.
Having worked for 31 years at quite a senior level in the Civil Service, which included dealing with Ministerial Correspondance, Parliamentary Questions and advising Ministers on policy and policy implications, I can tell you that only part (small?) of any money raised by way of a licence would be spent the way both NESA members and any responsible sea angler would wish. Any Chancellor, no matter what his political persuasion, sees only TAX REVENUE and he has total control over where monies are directed. Simple examples - not all tax received from Nat Ins/ Road Fund Licensing is spent on health/roads etc - only a percentage of it - the remainder drops into The Treasury coffers to be allocated elsewhere as The Chancellor decides. If monies so collected were to be so directed we would be the healthiest nation on earth with the best transport infrastructure too!!!!
Raising the profile of fish stocks and associated issues is to be encouraged but the only positive and productive way forward is to persuade either one of the major parties or the party in power to adopt these strategies as formal policy to be weaved into their respective manifestos thus demonstrating a clear commitment to the electorate, not to look at the issue as a means of levying another tax!
Others my disagree with my views, but they are based on informed opinion and experience of how Govt works.
pottsy
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Yes I notice he answered it.
............flexible, user friendly arrangements charges that will vary by age and personal circumstances......
So has he plans for kiosks at every fishing mark where someone will take all your details ask for parents pay slips and means test every kid that wants to try fishing. ALso will it issue you with a refund when you have carried a load of gear to wherever you fancy fishing set everything up for the kids including baiting up to find that they are now wandering off down the beach asking "caught owt" to everybody else around
ali
tonyfromalnwick
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I think Miliband can stick his tax where the sun don't shine, and if I ever have the misfortune to bump into this odious man, I'll stick it there for him.
well said tony i think the bloke is the most bleeping bleep and if i ever have the misfortune to meet him i think ill be shoving my 14 foot beach caster sideways up his ar$e cos it will be the best place for it as i wont be needing it when this licence sh*t comes into effect, w**ker.
The Great Wallsendo
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It's a stealth tax pure and simple - yet another way to tax the working man.
There had been talk of "softening" towards the licence (on other threads - myself and others included)
But just reading his letter brings you back to earth with a bump. These people don't listen and are only in politics for their own gain.
They can indeed shove this idea up the ballot box - I'm voting them out next time round.....if I haven't been deported for speaking out that is!!!
There had been talk of "softening" towards the licence (on other threads - myself and others included)
But just reading his letter brings you back to earth with a bump. These people don't listen and are only in politics for their own gain.
They can indeed shove this idea up the ballot box - I'm voting them out next time round.....if I haven't been deported for speaking out that is!!!
The Great Wallsendo
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It did sound dramatic didn't it - I know we're not living in China or Zimababwe...but this government doesn't listen to the people on any issues and blunders blindly (and arrogantly) on - creating policy after policy which are effectively taxing this country to death...
CCTV on every street corner, Tolls for this and that, ID cards, tracking sensors in your car so they can charge you per mile when you drive about - if that doesn't sound like a controlling nanny state i don't know what does.
Rant over - I'm off to kick limpets off the rocks.......
northeast1
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They will need the money from us to pay off the fleet and the fish industry when they all start crying that they cant make a living because they cant catch the fish.
I have never said a word about this until Yesterday, as i was hoping the reply but be a better one...i.e save the fish...but no.....when looking up cod in a book its in the back next to Dodo bird.
Game over its Game over
I have never said a word about this until Yesterday, as i was hoping the reply but be a better one...i.e save the fish...but no.....when looking up cod in a book its in the back next to Dodo bird.
Game over its Game over
BriH
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this was my question ,and if they stop trawling there will be another few years left for them to work as trawlermen .
Sless ask him
have you ever considered banning all trawl fishing for three years - (we can import frozen at the same price,sometimes cheaper) but then paying the trawlermen a yearly wage based on the average catch last year - which after all would be money in the bank(some months these guys cant get out at all ,so they would be better off - then the stocks would be able to replenish the stocks themselves - i was told mother nature would need 3 years by a Boffin at Durham University,he went through the `mechanics` behind his theory ,and it sounded right
we pay farmers for not farming ,so why not pay trawlermen ??
and they could use the trawl boats for pleasure fisherman ,to make a few more pounds
Its a bit long winded Sless ,but i am sure you get the Gist of it - and he must know some Boffins to check the 3 year thing
Ta
Red5
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If they and the idiots who govern us from Brussels don't listen to the advice of Scientists from Greenpeace, WWF et al that there needs to be total ban on commercial fishing for cod in the North Sea then why would they listen to us.
Got a reply from 10 Downing Street today from an online petition regarding banning deep sea trawling and it as good as made out that there was nothing the government can or will do stop it but that in priciple they agree it's wrong?????????
Got a reply from 10 Downing Street today from an online petition regarding banning deep sea trawling and it as good as made out that there was nothing the government can or will do stop it but that in priciple they agree it's wrong?????????
Charlie_Thompson
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In the words of "Mr. Person I just made up"
Fish yeah, but then no, whach you talkin' bout Willis, Monkey Magic .. oooh haaaa!
Fish yeah, but then no, whach you talkin' bout Willis, Monkey Magic .. oooh haaaa!
Charlie_Thompson
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:casstet: feel sick noe go bed
