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Charlie_Thompson
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more than a bump charlie.
see what happens they lift the bann and whollop straight owt with more than the titanic.
it just goes to show they are only interested in one thing.
sod the shore angler net the lot.the lad that phoned has just said that another boat was setting nets at the other side of the one that had just set them.
looks like we may have to keep the areas that produce very quiet in fear they net them also.
or pray they all set what they have and pray the sea come away that big they destroy the nets.are what a shame that would be.
see what happens they lift the bann and whollop straight owt with more than the titanic.
it just goes to show they are only interested in one thing.
sod the shore angler net the lot.the lad that phoned has just said that another boat was setting nets at the other side of the one that had just set them.
looks like we may have to keep the areas that produce very quiet in fear they net them also.
or pray they all set what they have and pray the sea come away that big they destroy the nets.are what a shame that would be.
Rod_bender
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I thought there was a 6 mile offshore limit for commercial fishing?
Falcone
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I really dont know where you get some of your ideas from????????
Personally i get so sick of hearing people rant on about commercials when they're blatantly lacking knowledge on the subject.
Live with the fact the commercials are there, the shore angler is not the be all and end all of all marine life, how ignorant can some people be.
You would find it funny for those guys to lose 10000s pounds worth of gear and ruin them????
Why not go the whole hog and wish that his boat capsizes and the skipper and the crew die...
Im going to cease visiting these forums in the very near future.
Personally i get so sick of hearing people rant on about commercials when they're blatantly lacking knowledge on the subject.
Live with the fact the commercials are there, the shore angler is not the be all and end all of all marine life, how ignorant can some people be.
You would find it funny for those guys to lose 10000s pounds worth of gear and ruin them????
Why not go the whole hog and wish that his boat capsizes and the skipper and the crew die...
Im going to cease visiting these forums in the very near future.
Lowrider
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I agree that everyone has a right to use what ever legal means they have to earn a living.
However,could you show any example where a commercial has shown any consideration for an angler and our hobby.
You want respect and consideration then it is a two way street.
Why would you expect anything less then a hostile reaction,if at times extreme,if there at time seems to be no thought for the effect their actions have on a hobby that contributes to the local community?
Would i find it funny for anyone to lose thousands of pounds of gear,no.
Do the commercial care that the shore angler has spent hundreds of pounds on gear and maybe £20/30 on bait,i doubt it.
So if you wish to cease to visit this and other forums while keeping your fingers in your ears and the blinkers over your eyes then that is your right,after all you wouldn't wish to hear any counter arguements that may have any essence of truth in them would you.
But face it,we ALL have an equal right to enjoy the sea in a responsible manner,simply because someone CHOOSES to earn a living from it does not confer on them the right to plunder it as they wish and ignore the other users of the same resource.
Despite what anyone may think.
Falcone
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So you think because a shore angler has spent a 1000 pounds on some gear he deserves the respect or consideration of the commercial fleet, what planet are you on????.
They spend 100,000s and yet they are slandered as unscrupulous, and only out for what they can get, they are all tarred with the same brush. How would you feel if you were seen as that because you go out and do the only job you have known for your whole life??????
You go get yourself out on a boat and do the job which is classed as the most dangerous job in britain, putting your life at risk to bring home some money for you and your family, and have selfish shore anglers egg and flowering you on the way home to your family.
Im a shore angler myself, but worked in the commercial scene for 6-7 years, so i have some insight into it. Some of the people what post on here offer up drivel {putting it kindly} and have no understanding of it, but still feel the need to post things which is total nonsense.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but a lot what is posted on here is not really opinion, there slanderous statements, often with no understanding.
However,could you show any example where a commercial has shown any consideration for an angler and our hobby.
Its your hobby, its there livelihood.
What consideration do you show to a commercial fisherman???? none if the posts on these forums are anything to go by, there the pirates of the high seas, plundering all in theer path.
This may be true of some fisherman, but cirtainly not all, and thats the point im trying to make.
You ever been on the pier with the morons who fish for mackerel and keep 100s without needing them, or just leaving them on the pier after they finish.
How would you like if all shore anglers were viewed like that???????
Theres rogue elements in both parties, but some are just too ignorant to see that.
They spend 100,000s and yet they are slandered as unscrupulous, and only out for what they can get, they are all tarred with the same brush. How would you feel if you were seen as that because you go out and do the only job you have known for your whole life??????
You go get yourself out on a boat and do the job which is classed as the most dangerous job in britain, putting your life at risk to bring home some money for you and your family, and have selfish shore anglers egg and flowering you on the way home to your family.
Im a shore angler myself, but worked in the commercial scene for 6-7 years, so i have some insight into it. Some of the people what post on here offer up drivel {putting it kindly} and have no understanding of it, but still feel the need to post things which is total nonsense.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but a lot what is posted on here is not really opinion, there slanderous statements, often with no understanding.
However,could you show any example where a commercial has shown any consideration for an angler and our hobby.
Its your hobby, its there livelihood.
What consideration do you show to a commercial fisherman???? none if the posts on these forums are anything to go by, there the pirates of the high seas, plundering all in theer path.
This may be true of some fisherman, but cirtainly not all, and thats the point im trying to make.
You ever been on the pier with the morons who fish for mackerel and keep 100s without needing them, or just leaving them on the pier after they finish.
How would you like if all shore anglers were viewed like that???????
Theres rogue elements in both parties, but some are just too ignorant to see that.
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Lowrider
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The planet that say everyone deserves respect,not based on their monetry worth or the money they have invested.
That does not confer any rights on the commercial boys.
Does that mean in your eyes that those with the biger cars have the greater rights on our roads?
I agree it is wrong to tar anyone with the same brush,but people judge on what they see and hear.
Is there anyone on a local level doing anything to improve the image of trawlers?
Giving the facts and their point of view.
If not don't complain about any wrong info.
As to a dangerous job,yes,i worked off shore and on the yards,again a job that has dangers,7 died last year.
But as with you that is my CHOICE,why,it pays well.
That i feel sure is a factor in some people reasons for being a fisherman.
So do not expect any concern for a decision taken with free will,if you do not wish to face the danger quit,go work for min wage in a factory.
That is not a go at you, just life,we all make our own decisions and live with them.
I agree but as i said,if that is wrong then change it with correct info.
Plus as you said yourself,some things are a fact of life,live with it.
Tough,that does not give them any greater rights then an angler.
Local tackle shops " living" depend on the shore angler,do they have a greater right to the sea then the trawlers?
I base my opinion on what i see,mostly on TV based reality shows.
All i see are blokes raving about " money".
In all the trawlerman series i never heard a rant on conservation.
Again the world of a trawler boat is pretty " closed",most will never see it.
But all i see are moans about loss or money,wanting more days at sea,bigger quotas etc,etc.
Giving what i see and hear from various scources what do you expect.
They are viewed "like that" and regulary castigated by posters on here.
But you digress,they are a breed that needs to be dealt with.
That is a problem,trawlers ,or at least some or another problem.
Lets deal with each one.
ron thompson11
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commercial v pleasure fishing
commercial v pleasure fishing
of course it isn't fair to tar all commercial fishermen with the same brush, however the fact remains that fish stocks (especially cod) have been decimated over the past few years, through a combination of bad management & greed on behalf of the government regulators & trawlermen.which has lead to the very real possibility of the humble cod being removed from many menus (as stated in the national news). To then see trawlers having to dump thousands of tonnes of quality fish (dead obviusly)because there vessel is licensed only for prawns ,or that they are targetting a species with a greater financial value is quite sickening. Surely the fishing industry could be more specific with their tactics when targetting certain species rather than just hawling in the whole of the seabed! The reality is that us sea anglers are finding quality fish hard to find, and to see nets being shot within casting distance is to say the least disheartening, at worst infuriating, bearing in mind they do have quite a large area to aim at......
Would us shore fishermen complain as much if they were catching more.......probably not.
Would you expect any shorefishermen NOT to complain when they see nets being shot right in front of them? probably not!
The commercial fishermen do not own the sea, they are making their living (or attempting to)from a natural resource which has been so badly abbused that it will probably never fully recover. Ultimately it is their choice to fish for a living, no matter how dangerous or hard it is..... and i can respect them for that, as long as they follow all the relevant guidelines & laws.
that said i am going for a chuck as that massive sea has dropped off right off, and the coast will be lifting with fish..unless of course they have all been caught in the nets.......................
commercial v pleasure fishing
of course it isn't fair to tar all commercial fishermen with the same brush, however the fact remains that fish stocks (especially cod) have been decimated over the past few years, through a combination of bad management & greed on behalf of the government regulators & trawlermen.which has lead to the very real possibility of the humble cod being removed from many menus (as stated in the national news). To then see trawlers having to dump thousands of tonnes of quality fish (dead obviusly)because there vessel is licensed only for prawns ,or that they are targetting a species with a greater financial value is quite sickening. Surely the fishing industry could be more specific with their tactics when targetting certain species rather than just hawling in the whole of the seabed! The reality is that us sea anglers are finding quality fish hard to find, and to see nets being shot within casting distance is to say the least disheartening, at worst infuriating, bearing in mind they do have quite a large area to aim at......
Would us shore fishermen complain as much if they were catching more.......probably not.
Would you expect any shorefishermen NOT to complain when they see nets being shot right in front of them? probably not!
The commercial fishermen do not own the sea, they are making their living (or attempting to)from a natural resource which has been so badly abbused that it will probably never fully recover. Ultimately it is their choice to fish for a living, no matter how dangerous or hard it is..... and i can respect them for that, as long as they follow all the relevant guidelines & laws.
that said i am going for a chuck as that massive sea has dropped off right off, and the coast will be lifting with fish..unless of course they have all been caught in the nets.......................
Rod_bender
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Everyone has the right to make a living and provide for their family, but at what cost? and i don't mean price.
Just because it's all you know and have always done it doesn't cut it as an excuse..
What's going to happen when there is no fish left to catch? then we are ALL stuffed... the commercial fishermen will have to retire to their villas in spain, and the pleasure anglers will have to take up golf
A happy medium has to worked out..
Just because it's all you know and have always done it doesn't cut it as an excuse..
What's going to happen when there is no fish left to catch? then we are ALL stuffed... the commercial fishermen will have to retire to their villas in spain, and the pleasure anglers will have to take up golf
A happy medium has to worked out..
YoursTruly
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Nets
Nets
Falcone: i can see your point about the money these commercials are spending and most of the commercials do respect the sea, however, they have raped the sea of many species and will of course continue to do so.
What really gets me wound up is there is a very high probability the forementioned nets off Blyth are not a taxpayer but someone on the fiddle pretty much the same as the boats who shoot nets and pots from the Tyne.
Nets
Falcone: i can see your point about the money these commercials are spending and most of the commercials do respect the sea, however, they have raped the sea of many species and will of course continue to do so.
What really gets me wound up is there is a very high probability the forementioned nets off Blyth are not a taxpayer but someone on the fiddle pretty much the same as the boats who shoot nets and pots from the Tyne.
Phantom of Hook House
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at the end of the day....there will be no fish left in the sea if commercial fishing continues the way it is. Economically, leasure anglers contribute at least 10 times the amount commercial fishing does to the economy in terms of jobs (bait diggers, tackle shops, tackle manufacturers), taxes etc. Sure, a very small number of commercial fishermen and their families are suffering (a few thousand people) as opposed to the many more thousands who depend on a living from leisure angling. In the states and Canada, commercial and leisure angling is tightly controlled and stocks are increasing. Putting out nets within 1 mile or 2 of the shore is detrimental to the shore angler. A compromise of a 3 mile exclusion zone is surely a good compromse?
Falcone
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Im obviously not getting my point across, its clear the feeling here about commercials, some may have valid grounds for the reasoning which i can fully understand.
People who have limited knowledge of how commercials work or the people that work on them really need to go and talk with these skippers and deckhands and draw up there own conclusions rather than jump on the band wagon and take up other people views without getting off there fat arse and actually researching.
If they care so much about there sport then do something proactive and talk to people, all i see is people whining about it with no action.
If you have read any other posts concerning commericials i have posted in ,you will know that i support a change in the whole quota system. Fisherman should be given subsidies, similar to those issued to farmers, cutting the number of days at sea for fisherman.
I also mentioned how the whole quota system was flawed.
Graham {oblikta} is totally right in his post, the government should be held accountable for this and not the fishermen.
Im not of the belief that commercials are untouchable, but do get so sick of hearing people come up with stupid statements, when they have no clue what there talking about.
Im of the belief, If i have nothing constructive or im lacking knowledge in a subject i tend to keep my mouth shut rather than say something stupid and make myself look silly.
On one last note i will state that everyone is under the illusion that these commercial guys make an abundance of hard cash, whilst this may be true for some, its a very small minority.
Where i live in Seaham, we had a bustling port with 30+ trawlers and a load of smaller cobbles, potters etc , approximatly 60 boats, we now have 3.
The guy i worked with had to give it up because it was'nt viable as a business any longer and he now works in a factory, and he cirtainly doesnt have a villa in spain.
People who have limited knowledge of how commercials work or the people that work on them really need to go and talk with these skippers and deckhands and draw up there own conclusions rather than jump on the band wagon and take up other people views without getting off there fat arse and actually researching.
If they care so much about there sport then do something proactive and talk to people, all i see is people whining about it with no action.
If you have read any other posts concerning commericials i have posted in ,you will know that i support a change in the whole quota system. Fisherman should be given subsidies, similar to those issued to farmers, cutting the number of days at sea for fisherman.
I also mentioned how the whole quota system was flawed.
Graham {oblikta} is totally right in his post, the government should be held accountable for this and not the fishermen.
Im not of the belief that commercials are untouchable, but do get so sick of hearing people come up with stupid statements, when they have no clue what there talking about.
Im of the belief, If i have nothing constructive or im lacking knowledge in a subject i tend to keep my mouth shut rather than say something stupid and make myself look silly.
On one last note i will state that everyone is under the illusion that these commercial guys make an abundance of hard cash, whilst this may be true for some, its a very small minority.
Where i live in Seaham, we had a bustling port with 30+ trawlers and a load of smaller cobbles, potters etc , approximatly 60 boats, we now have 3.
The guy i worked with had to give it up because it was'nt viable as a business any longer and he now works in a factory, and he cirtainly doesnt have a villa in spain.
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YoursTruly
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Seaham Boats
Seaham Boats
Falcone: and why do you think there are only 3 boats left who fish out from Seaham, of course i am not going to insult your intelligence as i am sure you know only to well why, the boats who have packed in cannot make a living so have been forced to move on which is the same in any business.
Its all to easy to blame the Government about quotas etc, but wy oh why can the commercials not see sense and stop this mass slaughtering of undersized fish, I like many other anglers try and put a high percentage of the fish i catch back unharmed so they can go on to reproduce and replenish the stocks and i do this out of my own free will not because the government have told me it is something i should do, surely if i can forward think then the commercials could choose to do likewise instead of selecting the better fish (higher value in money) and simply dumping the smaller so it wont affect there quotas.
And you want the likes of me to feel sorry for them, get real it is they and not the Government who have killed the fish stocks.
If we anglers just stopped whining and trying to put a point forward then the commercials are going to screw it up for us also.
If i had my way i would get the Gun at Trow rocks working and blow every boat out of the water that tried to shoot nets so close to shore, the Icelanders had the right idea when they held onto the fishing rights.
Seaham Boats
Falcone: and why do you think there are only 3 boats left who fish out from Seaham, of course i am not going to insult your intelligence as i am sure you know only to well why, the boats who have packed in cannot make a living so have been forced to move on which is the same in any business.
Its all to easy to blame the Government about quotas etc, but wy oh why can the commercials not see sense and stop this mass slaughtering of undersized fish, I like many other anglers try and put a high percentage of the fish i catch back unharmed so they can go on to reproduce and replenish the stocks and i do this out of my own free will not because the government have told me it is something i should do, surely if i can forward think then the commercials could choose to do likewise instead of selecting the better fish (higher value in money) and simply dumping the smaller so it wont affect there quotas.
And you want the likes of me to feel sorry for them, get real it is they and not the Government who have killed the fish stocks.
If we anglers just stopped whining and trying to put a point forward then the commercials are going to screw it up for us also.
If i had my way i would get the Gun at Trow rocks working and blow every boat out of the water that tried to shoot nets so close to shore, the Icelanders had the right idea when they held onto the fishing rights.
