What am i doing wrong.

[mick dunn]

Guys bought some tapered leaders 6 lb line off e-bay. The line is 9 feet long with two droppers.
Tied this to my floating line and used a fishing pimp indicator for the depth. Cast out a canny disatnce and well ----not a lot. Wind takes it round i bring it in ----in a figure of eight retrieve---and not a lot-although i did see a rainbow follow it in the other day but did not take it.
Now i have put on a couple different buzzers on the hooks and tried various flies on the point. In all this time i have had only one take -what am i doing wrong. Is it the depth-are there no fish?.
I really don,t rate the buzzers but am told trout love them?

Mick.

 

[Topfly]

Mick, the temperatre plays a big part when on the buzzers, and the wind was a cold westerly also you have got to be patient. I was also at the Derwent on sunday ( not fishing ) but had a look at the returns book. It needs a few settled days with a bit warmth.

 

[mark]

try just using a single fly and forget about fishing a team maybe?

sometimes I find keep it as simple as possible till you've sussed it then build it up

that said I never fish stockie waters, and rarely use buzzers anyway.

maybe have a look up cow green, completely different kettle of fish (ho ho) to what your maybe used to, but huge and cheap as chips, (a fiver in the honesty box), no rainbows but lots and lots of hungry little brownies

 

[Iva-Cod-on]

stick with the buzzers Mick they have there day i like to fish a bloodworm on the point and vary the depth after about ten casts or so under a sight bob indicator. I'm not tryin to teach my granny how to suck eggs but as soon as that indicator goes lift into it most of the time you feel nothing!! when the weather warms a good tell tale sign the fish are on buzzers is when they are rising but not breaking the surface this is known as the trout humping the water you sometimes see a dorsal or two.

 

[t0mb0la]

when the weather warms a good tell tale sign the fish are on buzzers is when they are rising but not breaking the surface this is known as the trout humping the water you sometimes see a dorsal or two.

ivor, i have seen this happening but can't get me buzzers etc. in the top couple of inches without a nippy retrieve, do i need to be looking to a shipmans or cdc carry on? or is an emerger me chappie?

cheers...........tom

 

[ecoli]

hi mick if the fish are feeding at 18 ft and if you have a 9ft leader you are presenting your flies 9ft above the feeding zone probably less if there is a canny breeze pulling your line around the flies will fish higher in the water , try a heavy epoxy buzzer on the point and try increasing your leader length and alter the depth you are fishing it took me a long time to figure out how to fish buzzers but it will click eventually , this time of year start off with a big black buzzer then just keep altering the colour untill you find out which one the fish want or catch one and spoon it hope this helps

 

[ecoli]

ivor, i have seen this happening but can't get me buzzers etc. in the top couple of inches without a nippy retrieve, do i need to be looking to a shipmans or cdc carry on? or is an emerger me chappie?

cheers...........tom

try putting a booby or similar bouyant fly on the point with your buzzers on the droppers its called the washing line for some reason

 

[sandworm]

Ive fished the upland resovoirs since the 70s. Cow green,Balderhead,Hury,Selset and Derwent.
Always with a team of wetflies,with the cast and step method.My most used fly is a Black and Peacock spider,always on the point,some times leaded.Had more fish on this fly than any other.Some times use three in various sizes,from 10s to 16s.Biggest on the point,as this helps the cast turn over better.
The leader length is 12ft minimum,up to 20ft.With the droppers 3ft apart.4lb breaking strain.
Other flies are Black spiders,Blea and black and palmered Blea and black wake fly,which are Buzzer variants.Sizes depend on water conditions,The bigger the wave the bigger the fly.
As for dry flies,Nothing beats a Black gnat.
Especially on Derwent when the water warms.....

 

[drof46]

Ive fished the upland resovoirs since the 70s. Cow green,Balderhead,Hury,Selset and Derwent.
Always with a team of wetflies,with the cast and step method.My most used fly is a Black and Peacock spider,always on the point,some times leaded.Had more fish on this fly than any other.Some times use three in various sizes,from 10s to 16s.Biggest on the point,as this helps the cast turn over better.
The leader length is 12ft minimum,up to 20ft.With the droppers 3ft apart.4lb breaking strain.
Other flies are Black spiders,Blea and black and palmered Blea and black wake fly,which are Buzzer variants.Sizes depend on water conditions,The bigger the wave the bigger the fly.
As for dry flies,Nothing beats a Black gnat.
Especially on Derwent when the water warms.....

Aye the good owld Black and Peacock spider. Quick and easy to tie and VERY effective.

If someone said 'you are only allowed one fly to fish with, all season', I'd opt for the B&P

I sometimes add a little fluorescent green or a red tag or a coloured wire underbody with a little wire butt showing at the bend: Excellent flies!

Tight lines,

Drof

 

[Iva-Cod-on]

ivor, i have seen this happening but can't get me buzzers etc. in the top couple of inches without a nippy retrieve, do i need to be looking to a shipmans or cdc carry on? or is an emerger me chappie?

cheers...........tom

Ecoli is spot on with this i have also heard of but not tried the washing line trick with the buzzers tied direct to line no dropper other than that like you say shipmans or CDC emergers.

 

[mick dunn]

Thanks for all the advice guys its appreciated. I,ve ordered a couple of the black and peacock spiders off e-bay.
Also popped up to a local supplier at Chopwell yesterday and bought some other flies/lures at 25p each. Got some nice cats whiskers which i will use on an intermediate next time out.

Mick.

 

[t0mb0la]

cheers ecoli and ivan, i'll give the boobies a go, some places ain't too keen on em, i dunno why, back at sharpley on saturday, see yous there if yer out!

 

[Charlie_Thompson]

Mick you'll get great advice here but for specialist info from a wide range of hugely experienced fly anglers try visiting flyforums.co.uk it's arguably the best fly fishing forum in the UK. Have a good browse then pile in with your questions. You'll learn a lot about the many different forms of fly fishing, get access to local info, great offers on kit from members etc. Bit like here but all fly.

Some cracking arguments, pathetic nonesense, in-fighting and the rest all add to the mix. Check it out if you haven't already. If you're new to flyfishing you'll find loads of info in the mags - bit like Sea Angler and the others when you're new to sea fishing. "Trout and Salmon" and "Flyfishing and Flytying" are the best IMO

 

[sandworm]

cheers ecoli and ivan, i'll give the boobies a go, some places ain't too keen on em, i dunno why, back at sharpley on saturday, see yous there if yer out!

The reason Boobies are banned on most put and take venues,is if fished the way they were made for, the fish swallow them.
Boobies were invented to be used on a 2ft leader and very fast sinking line,and fished very slowly near the bottom.Its a killing method when the water is really cold.

 

[pete]

yep, most of the places I fish allow boobies to be fished on a floater but not a HD line. the fish do take them deep when fished slowly on the bottom.

 

[mick dunn]

Not had much luck with the boobies--the few guys i do see fishing do not like the sinking lines and prefer the sporting method of an intermediate.
Thanks for the info Charlie i will have a look.
Mick.

 

[drof46]

Boobies

Boobies

It's right what the lads are saying: because trout usually take the Boobie in very deep, it makes 'Catch-and-Release' awkward.

However, if there's a bit of a 'wave' on, try 'skidding' a boobie across the surface as you would a 'wake' fly. The 'follows' are often obvious and exciting and the 'take', heart-stopping.

Don't forget, any fly can be tied 'Booby' style. I've tied 'Dawson's', 'Cats',
'Appetisers' and many more all with 'styrene boobs'.

You may be able to add poly balls to a 'bought' lure simply by wrapping them tightly in a piece of cling film and whipping them on to the eye of the hook.

Won't look owa pretty but might work.

Tight lines,

Drof.

 

[Iva-Cod-on]

It's right what the lads are saying: because trout usually take the Boobie in very deep, it makes 'Catch-and-Release' awkward.

However, if there's a bit of a 'wave' on, try 'skidding' a boobie across the surface as you would a 'wake' fly. The 'follows' are often obvious and exciting and the 'take', heart-stopping.

Don't forget, any fly can be tied 'Booby' style. I've tied 'Dawson's', 'Cats',
'Appetisers' and many more all with 'styrene boobs'.

You may be able to add poly balls to a 'bought' lure simply by wrapping them tightly in a piece of cling film and whipping them on to the eye of the hook.

Won't look owa pretty but might work.

Tight lines,


I wrap the styrene balls in nylon from our lasses old tights I say old coz she goes daft when I use ones she's wearin and it tricky cutting a moving target LOL

 

[drof46]

Aye, I've done that afore (not with YOUR lasses tights of course)

I found that the material taken from the gusset catches mair fish.

Aa divint reely knaa why!

Tight lines,

Drof.

 

[Iva-Cod-on]

Pmsl:d:d:d

Right come on lads gussets and boobies its all getting too much