hi mogthemackem, i heard but it must of been wrong the ryhope shop was charging 50p a black last year a little better 45p. just reading about bait direct they say dungie lug firmer but smaller i found this a few years back fishing there , i believe rigs at the harbour gets the welsh blacks in frozen 3.50 a pack they are longer than dungie worm but do come out soft not like the dungie worm its just what you prefer.postage is always the stumbling block thats what boosts the price up,bulk buying has got to be best a few people getting together