best rig for landing good cod through kelp

Deans

Deans

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having used pulleys since i was a teenager , ive found it interesting how some of the top match lads who i spoke to recently don't use them.

these are the guys who only fish kelp without sending the bait a long way and win opens regulary.

obviously this rig offers an immediate contact with the fish on strike, but does it avoid the snags better? the pulley is recognised as the top cod rough ground rig, but is this really the case or is the pulley favoured more for its streamlined effect?

surely these guys who land big cod in the opens know a lot more than the sea angler editor?;)
 
Aye pulley rigs not necessary close range but a good rotten bottom and not being bothered losing a sinker a chuck is the way forward IMO
 
Personally I hate pulleys!! I use them only when I have to, ie when your dragging over rocks. I find that you miss far too many bites with pulleys and lose fish through a poor hookhold. A good old rotten bottom rig with trailing hook is all you need. 3 ft hooklength, 2ft sinker . Tried and tested over many years!!
 
CHUKKA said:
Personally I hate pulleys!! I use them only when I have to, ie when your dragging over rocks. I find that you miss far too many bites with pulleys and lose fish through a poor hookhold. A good old rotten bottom rig with trailing hook is all you need. 3 ft hooklength, 2ft sinker . Tried and tested over many years!!
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That's the one!!
 
I hate pulley's too!! I use variations on the rig described, different hook lengths / body lengths, sometimes fishing the bait above & sometimes below the sinker. I like quite long rigs for fishing in the kelp.

Gary :)
 
CHUKKA said:
Personally I hate pulleys!! I use them only when I have to, ie when your dragging over rocks. I find that you miss far too many bites with pulleys and lose fish through a poor hookhold. A good old rotten bottom rig with trailing hook is all you need. 3 ft hooklength, 2ft sinker . Tried and tested over many years!!
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yep, so av heard.

so you attach your snood to the top of the rig, or the bottom near the sinker?
 
any pic or links on how to make a rotten bottom rig as ive never used them myself;)
 
Not naming names but one of the best rock men doesn't even use a rotten bottom! 3 way swivel 3 ft to hook, 2ft to sinker, plain but simple and effective!
 
dont u find that pully rigs you get your gear back?and on really heavy ground you need them?one hook pully rigs with sharp hooks and a rottom bottom has always worked for me so never tried anything else but some good ideas here
 
3 way swivel 30lb to the lead no rotten bottom and 40lb hook length at required length it's all I use while fishing rough ground where distance isn't needed
 
Deans said:
yep, so av heard.

so you attach your snood to the top of the rig, or the bottom near the sinker?
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There's a lot of variation mate, everyone'll have their own opinion. This summer I tried something different, used the same rig in all 5 of my summer league matches. I had a hook length of about 3ft 6in tied 4ft above the sinker. My thinking was that in the kelp, some of the shorter rigs I'd been using might have been pulling the hook into the kelp as the sinker made it to the bottom, resulting in an instant fast-had in the kelp. Reasoning that kelp tends to stand about 6ft in the water, I figured that with the longer rig the sinker could make it to the bottom with the bait dropping slowly behind to settle wherever...and it seemed to work. Had fish every match, winning one, and finishing fourth overall, so I was pretty happy. Rarely lost much gear and missed very few bites (and had quite a lot of undersize fish!) - if snagged the rotten-bottom usually did it's job. I don't think I lost more than two or three leaders while fishing Beadnell, Newton & Howick.

Of course I could be completely wrong and am always happy to try new things, but they're generally variations on the classic, simple one-hook paternoster. Oh, and I never use a pennel hook in the kelp!

Gary :)
 
CHUKKA said:
Not naming names but one of the best rock men doesn't even use a rotten bottom! 3 way swivel 3 ft to hook, 2ft to sinker, plain but simple and effective!
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I use the same but I have 50lb to my hook and 25 to sinker I use a Gemini clip and clip the hook on it so its safe to cast the sinker as my 50lb hook snoods the leader and on release It acts as a rotten bottom but many times I get the lead back
 
NICKY said:
3 way swivel 30lb to the lead no rotten bottom and 40lb hook length at required length it's all I use while fishing rough ground where distance isn't needed
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what about when you need distance ? i struggle to thump 30lb line straight through i have to use a 80 shocker
 
g-force said:
There's a lot of variation mate, everyone'll have their own opinion. This summer I tried something different, used the same rig in all 5 of my summer league matches. I had a hook length of about 3ft 6in tied 4ft above the sinker. My thinking was that in the kelp, some of the shorter rigs I'd been using might have been pulling the hook into the kelp as the sinker made it to the bottom, resulting in an instant fast-had in the kelp. Reasoning that kelp tends to stand about 6ft in the water, I figured that with the longer rig the sinker could make it to the bottom with the bait dropping slowly behind to settle wherever...and it seemed to work. Had fish every match, winning one, and finishing fourth overall, so I was pretty happy. Rarely lost much gear and missed very few bites (and had quite a lot of undersize fish!) - if snagged the rotten-bottom usually did it's job. I don't think I lost more than two or three leaders while fishing Beadnell, Newton & Howick.

Of course I could be completely wrong and am always happy to try new things, but they're generally variations on the classic, simple one-hook paternoster. Oh, and I never use a pennel hook in the kelp!

Gary :)
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cheers gary.
 
i've always been told by my dad who fished pretty much just kelp all his life, 1ft hook length coming directly off the weight, been to some heavy kelp marks and lost nout where all the other people fishing with fancy rigs rotten bottom and pulley rigs either side get snagged every cast. my thought on it is that the hook is close behind the weight so if the weight goes through a gap in kelp the hook will make it through too with it being more streamlined.. seriously try it, it really works, but i bet tackle dealers wouldn't tell you that:D
 
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