hi all,hav,nt realy got time to go into this as computer is acting up no it has,nt been hit by an 8 ounce lead, how many of you no what an overhead cast or overhead thump is ,it has to be the safest cast possible ,before critising find out what the dangers are in a overhead thump.something else coming to mind here been fishing for years read a lot of sea angler magazines enjoyed alan yates articles you will have to go back a while now but read how he fishes into the teeth of a gale interesting regards john