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tz500

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some well known names among the money in the amble open it makes you wonder how they keep on doing it doesnt it.ive won my fair share of club and interclub matches but in opens i havent picked much up.
im as dedicated to bait as anybody i know (except one lad whose whites are in a fridge in his kitchen)and i always have quality bait.
maybe tony taylor can give us a few tips.
 
Mebbes they have the bait and the knowledge, the experience have put the hard hours in and are just good anglers. You don\'t get to win or get in the money of big opens year in year out and get to the top of the Penn Sea League every year by luck alone. You can possibly fluke a big win with a fish of a lifetime, but you can\'t do that every match.
Compare the NE matches to SE ones where you have to catch whiting and pouting at 100mph to win.
 
Aye, you can have all the bait in the world, and the best that there is, but if there aint no fish where your bait is.....
That\'s what I\'m saying, it\'s everything together isn\'t it? Knowing where fishes at what stage of tide and in what weather. When people grumble about other not giving marks away, well when the first prize is a grand plus a new Century rod, can you blame them?
 
I have been fortunate to have had about 15 major open wins over the years. Being successful has however never come easily.
Pegged matches are the hardest to win where you need the luck of a decent draw. Rovers rely heavily on local knowledge.
The older you get, the harder it gets to prepare and compete.
Apart from using the best bait and choosing where to fish , lady luck does play an enormous part. After many years of experience you gain a good knowledge of where fish are likely to be on the majority of different types of of sea conditions. Although this is based on past experiences given similar conditions, the fish sometimes don\'t play ball!Calm seas are the most unpredictable to judge. I keep diaries which detail what I caught where I was, state of the sea, wind direction and bait used. I have diaries going back to the 60\'s. Admittedly things have changed over the years but there are always similarities. Tackle has changed a lot. Some things good, some bad. I am a great believer in simplicity. I don\'t use bait clips ,swivels or beads. That doesn\'t mean that they are a bad thing however. I just stick to the things have tried and tested over the years.
You are right in saying that the same faces keep turning up at prize givings . These guys are always thereabouts. Watch what they do to catch fish, talk to them (most are very approachable) ask for advice and keep trying !
 
Nice one tony much appreciated its nice to get a few hints and tips off someone with as much knowledge as yourself many thanks
 
Before the Amble Open, I passed Wessie on the way to Snab Point. He was having a good look at the Bog Hall area. As we parked up to get ready to fish, Wessie was further along towards Cresswell. In the time we stood watching the tide ebbing of Snab, Wessie was back and forth along the road, observing all the marks along that stretch. Fair play to him, if he\'s got that much drive and enthusiasm to find the perfect swim, he deserves the wins he gets.

How many anglers decide on a mark before a competetion, fish the mark for the entire time then say they didn\'t catch owt?
 
not me mate ive got itchy feet maybe a bit too itchy at times though.if i dont think where im fishings producing im off to somewhere that might,this can work against me as well though reducing fishing time and all the best marks already taken or might fish later on in the tide.but to me its better than sitting it out on a mark thats not going to fish.
 
Hi all i\'m new to the site and fish the Hartlepool and Durham beaches mainly. \' Same old faces again win again\' it\'s a scenario that will be repeated time and time again i\'m afraid tz500. I appreciate were you\'re coming from mate, best bait, excellent location, right conditions - \'no fish\'. As my old mate used to say you can only catch what\'s in front of you and how right he was. I\'ve had a moderate degree of success in club and open competitions in years past and things are never the same twice, sure there are similarities and patterns bound to be repeated regarding fish eating habits and behaviours over time. But they aren\'t guaranteed, as Tony Taylor found out on sunday he fished boat house rocks, a mark that previously rewarded him with a handsome win in an open competiton some months previous, however not on Sunday? as Tony rightly states lady luck also plays a big part on the day. Take comfort in the fact that 425 anglers also caught nothing including some of the top rods in the North East. As for Paul Westmoreland hats of to him and congratulations on winning with such a creditable weight of quality fish. However it\'s not all roses as i\'m sure wessie will tell you, like anything you only get out what you put in and he puts alot in believe me. However in contrast i fished the Easington Colliery rovers match in January at the bellhole mark. I recall Wessie and his fishing partner walking past me two hours into the match heading south towards the blackwater, stating he\'d had nowt. Two hours later he came walking back up to the bellhole were he\'d originally been, again stating he\'d had nothing. Come the end of the match i had three codling upto 6lb and Wessie and his partner had caught nothing, i clearly remenber talking to him afterwards and him stating how disappointed he was with the fishing, especially blanking on his home ground. Again this highlights my point that you can have the right bait, right conditions and right location but if the fish ain\'t there you ain\'t gonna catch em. Local knowledge is paramount but so to is a good measure of lady luck. So don\'t be to hard on yourself tz500, it\'s nice to catch i know, but sometimes it\'s the taking part that counts and just enjoying the day regardless. All the best ;)
 
Thaks Alan and Steve, appreciated are any of you guys fishing the Easington Open on Sunday. Excellent cash prizes and table prizes. First prize for heaviest single fish is two grand :P
 
great posts tony and jw ,it is the same case down here in yorkshire ,a lot of the same faces doing the buisness .but this takes a long time to gain this knowledge ,it comes with fishing many marks at different states of tide ,wind etc .and i agree about a bit of luck but these guys are prepared to go the extra to get to a cartain mark that they know should produce .while joe average just plonks himself in a spot he hopes will do or he cannot be bothered to hump his gear to the far off mark
i am trying to keep a log of weather and tides ,and hopefully i will improve my fishing .its worked a few times for me all ready this season and its a great feeling when you do catch because of a bit of pre planning
 
Got to agree, a couple of great post,s from Tony and JW, welcome to NESA mate.

One thing from Tony\'s post that hit home was. \" I don\'t use bait clip\'s swivels or beads\"

This is something that I have talked about for a long time to a lot of friends that I fish with.

I don\'t fish anywhere similar to how I used to fish and I think that one or two of my \"old ways\" seemed to bring better results. Not saying that these things are not a good idea as I have not tried doing without them.

I have been thinking of trying a couple of sessions to see if I am right. This post has made my mind up an I will let you all know how I get on.

Jim.
 
Occasionally I do use rotten bottoms. Usually only when fishing amongst big boulders. ( I dont fish that type of ground very often) I do not use them when fishing into kelp. (very frequent )
I have used cannylinks, smilers rotters and modified Gemini links.
The cannyliks are good and really do work. I use Sakuma Manta hooks from 1 to 5/0. I do not lose much gear or fish!
Hope this helps.
 
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