Where abouts you trying Warren? I\'ve had several on the holderness coast, use standard beach gear with a heavy leader and a 150lbs wite trace rigged pully style. Use fresh silver eel section as bait cos the crabs don\'t like it (fish baits are shredded in minutes) and the Tope do, sandeel and mackeral are very good depending on the crab activity. Be prepared to let a fish run under a moderate drag setting, try to bully a tope and it will roll up your leader and break the line. 15lbs main line is best for clean beaches as the thinner diameter line leaves plenty left on the reel to cope with a first run that could be well over 100yds!!