plum on roker pier

[poacher36]

i was macky fishing today on roker pier,and this plum of a man was catching small coalies about 5 to 6oz, and he was keeping them he had at least 20, so i asked what he was doing with them ,he said for his cat so i asked what bait he was using ,rag worm £3.50 per pkt ,so why did he not just go and spend the £3.50 on catfood.............plum.

 

[ray]

that really makes my piss boil m8 but this unfortunately happens this time of year its about time the fisheries deptarment started earning there cash and start taking walks up piers on a regular basis checking anglers bags for undersize fish the fines these trumpets would get would soon put a stop to it.

 

[tonybax]

well said ray, if they thaught they would be hit for a £500 fine i think they,d think twice.
the fisheries people are more concerned with catching people looking for eater peelers [muppetts]

 

[craigyboy]

he should have his gear taken of him for that no wonder there is hardly any fish.

 

[biggandy]

what a muppet good job i did\'nt see him or he\'d be needing his floataion suit :casstet:

 

[LING_BASHER]

Every day thing on shields pier now

 

[Charlton]

posted this earlier but it seems to have gone
You would prodably find these days if you phoned the fisheries, which i hope you will the next time, they will be there like a shot and his few coalies for cat food will be very expensive.

 

[TC]

Alan,
I don\'t suppose you have a contact number for them we could stick in our mobiles for such an event ?

 

[BriH]

It was this time last year that \" We had the Second best discusion \" on the board (after Fox Hunting) when a NESA member defended His veiws on fishing for and keeping undersize coalies ,for pike bait- Does that make it right or wrong-

If you caught an undersized mackerel ,would you live bait it for a Big Bass or put it back

DISCUSS ( Sorry TC - I will drop you in a pack of Anadin Extra LOL

 

[TC]

Lol Bri........I always have a family size pack of Anadin to hand, m8

Got no problems with having a similar discussion again.......

BUT........can you start it off in the main part of the Shore Fishing forum, rather than it being tucked away in the Catch Reports section.

 

[gogs]

remember that thread well and is what i thought of immediately after reading the start of this post,i abhor the keeping of undersized fish.
Alan as TC already mentioned,can you post the number for the fisheries,i will give them a call every time i go past torness.

 

[alan]

hope they have a police escort at Torness :exclam:

 

[alan]

Thought it would be easier moving the lot Tony,any objections and it can easily go back to \"Catch Reports\"

 

[Charlton]

You would have to phone your local DEFRA office
North Shields office is 0191 2574520

I belive that would also cover Roker Pier. I belive there used to be a whole list of phone numbers for differtent Depts, may have been on old site, see if i can dig them up.

 

[rambo79]

It was this time last year that \" We had the Second best discusion \" on the board (after Fox Hunting) when a NESA member defended His veiws on fishing for and keeping undersize coalies ,for pike bait- Does that make it right or wrong-

If you caught an undersized mackerel ,would you live bait it for a Big Bass or put it back

i go pike fishing an i have never heard of using coalie\'s for deadbaits i dont what it is about this time of year i hear people say when im on the pier i was down yesterday and had 30 odd mackrel what do they do with them all surly 30 mackrel will fill your freezer so why catch and kill anymore i know mackrel is nice to eat which is fair enuf but i dont think i could eat 30 again its down to how big your freezer is i put it down to the seangling mentality whats the point of catching fish if you cant keep them to eat i wish i had a pound for everytime when talking about pike fishing sumbody says can you eat pike well ithink people should learn a course fisherman attitude if you catch a bigun take a photo then put it back this is especailly when you catch bass considering how long they take to grow yes take the odd one if its sizeable but if they undersize chuckthem back

 

[micky-quayle]

for anyone new on the forum or anyone who never read the discussion last year, i\'m the one being discussed here. not wanting to go over old ground here and certainly not wanting to fall out with any members basically heres what i said.
small coalies are an excellent pike bait, very few use them but they are very effective (they pop themselves up without having to use pop ups)
in july august time when the coalies were probably at their most prolific i kept some for pike baits, now i did not keep all the coalies i caught, i returned all the \"in size coalies i caught\" which on many occassions were more numerous than the 4 or 5\" ones i kept.
now legally i could have kept the big ones and used them halfed as pike baits and no one would take issue with that. my point is that had i kept the larger \"in size\" coalies this would in reality have harmed the stocks more than keeping the small ones, after all what percentage of 4 \" coalies reach 13.8\", very few.
from a legal stand point the keeping of undersized coalies is indefensible but from a conservation point of view i think what i have stated above is correct.

the point made about bass is a very valid one, i\'m off on my hollidays to brighouse bay next week and will be doing some bass fishing, now with them having such slow growth rates i will be returning any bass over around four pounds only keeping bass above the legal limit to around 3 or 4 pounds.

i am conservation minded as many who know me will verify, my views on this subject are obviously in the minority. for this reason this will be the last post i make on the subject, just thought i should put the record straight for anyone wondering exactly what this thread was about.

tin hat on time methinks..................

 

[mark]

well just to keep it boiling....I find it totally hipocritical that legislation prevents the keeping of undersixe fish, but the tackle shops have freezers bristling with em, foreign imports possibly, bet there\'s no controls of what nasties they maybe carrying

should be an all or nothing policy

to me its on a par with the commercial trawler men who dump thousands of tons of fish at sea every year because they are not allowed to land them. Monkfish are a prime example, nigh on immnpossible to get a UK licence to fish for them specifically yet trawling at great depths theya re inevitable
Off topic, but in Ireland the commercial boats are allowed to trade portions of their quotas at the market. If they ahve a day when they land too much white fish, they can still sell it, providing someone in the same port will swap a bit of their quota over for something else.

at they end of the day they still land the same amount, but there\'s lots more fish left in the sea.

I find even more crazy the notion that you can\'t use freshwater fish as bait to catch freshwater fish, but you can introduce tinned cat food into the freshwater fishes food chain, I must of missed the biology lesson when they looked at how carp are taught to use a tin opener. how much stray cat food gets goobled up by minnows which in turn are taken by trout, or eaten directly by trout which are then eaten by us, hate to think of the chemicals and crap thats is in em

If they made it illegal to use saltwater species to target freshwater specie the arguement can then be targetted straight at those that don\'t actually give a damn and take anything

I would imagine the freshwater angler that keeps a few coalies for bait is a lot more conservation minded, than the \'fish for the cat\" angler

 

[Davyred]

Sorry but keeping undersize fish is illegal, no matter what the reason is - FACT

 

[mark]

Sorry but keeping undersize fish is illegal, no matter what the reason is - FACT

and so should be selling them as bait - same for crabs as well

 

[TC]

Putting your argument in another context, Micky........

I think my car handles better at 55mph than 30mph even on a 30mph road.
Legally, yes it\'s wrong, but on the lower fuel consumption and environmental front, I think what I\'m doing is right right.............

Errmmmm.......I don\'t think the courts would feel the same way, somehow.

Set legal limits are there for a reason and they are there for ALL to abide by. I can\'t see any circumstances whereby the keeping of undersized fish could be condoned........and I think it\'s a shame that some believe that those limits do not apply to them.