blair impeachment???
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Chris_Hughes
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There must be something that can be done to get rid of him.
Hang him for treason ?
Charge him with bringing the office of Prime Minister into disrepute. Why ?, Because he\'s got an ugly fat bottomed wife.
I know - don\'t vote labour next time! And if you don\'t like the other mainstream parties, vote for the Monkey, Rhino or Monster Loony etc.
Hang him for treason ?
Charge him with bringing the office of Prime Minister into disrepute. Why ?, Because he\'s got an ugly fat bottomed wife.
I know - don\'t vote labour next time! And if you don\'t like the other mainstream parties, vote for the Monkey, Rhino or Monster Loony etc.
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Ell
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Peace and Goodwill to all men eh!
mark
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I guess I must be mis-informed then. I guess it must be ok to destroy the lives of innocent women and children, as long as the good old US of A get their oil.
here\'s me thinking that human life is actually worth preserving
if you had family out there would you be equally pragmatic
here\'s me thinking that human life is actually worth preserving
if you had family out there would you be equally pragmatic
all i see is a bunch of welsh mps and so called academics wanting to get a dig in ,nothing to do with the yanks and there oil ,i think blair did the right thing ,even if he did make up an excuse to go in and get saddam madarse out he needed outing ,the ends justifies the means IMO,ive got friends over there in the forces and theyd rather be somewhere else instead of trying to help a people hell bent on killing them for there efforts,just becouse nothing has been found doesnt mean its not there,if that was the case i might as well give up fishing cos can i hell find the fish ,that doesnt mean there not there ,just im looking in the wrong place 
mark
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the ends justifying the means is sticky ground
I want to catch lots of bass but if the means to justify my ends was to string miles of drift net off the beaches there\'d be uproar
what were the ends in Iraq, to get rid of saddam?? Don\'t think so, that opprtunity has been there for years. Remember who put him there, who sold arms to him etc. I used to work for NEI and we even built a nuclear programme for him not so long a ago.
cos he was a tyrant, crimes against humanity??
why are we not invading west africa then, or zimbabwe or Burma, or chile or latin america, or a whole host of other countries whos crimes against humanity are far worse than saddams.
there\'s 2 million dead this year already in africa, and a fraction of what has been spent in Iraq would of prevented that. How many hospitals and schools could we of had for the money we\'ve spent there.
we are there purely and simply becasues a number of large corporations (american) want to make more money.
Al Queida had nothing to do with iraq, the were actually saddams enemy and had tried to top him themselves several times, ironically with sponsorship from the CIA
So at what point will the ends no longer justify the means, 100,000 possibly dead already, when its 10 years down the line and the body count hits 1 million, or when the bills mount up and we end up broke
I want to catch lots of bass but if the means to justify my ends was to string miles of drift net off the beaches there\'d be uproar
what were the ends in Iraq, to get rid of saddam?? Don\'t think so, that opprtunity has been there for years. Remember who put him there, who sold arms to him etc. I used to work for NEI and we even built a nuclear programme for him not so long a ago.
cos he was a tyrant, crimes against humanity??
why are we not invading west africa then, or zimbabwe or Burma, or chile or latin america, or a whole host of other countries whos crimes against humanity are far worse than saddams.
there\'s 2 million dead this year already in africa, and a fraction of what has been spent in Iraq would of prevented that. How many hospitals and schools could we of had for the money we\'ve spent there.
we are there purely and simply becasues a number of large corporations (american) want to make more money.
Al Queida had nothing to do with iraq, the were actually saddams enemy and had tried to top him themselves several times, ironically with sponsorship from the CIA
So at what point will the ends no longer justify the means, 100,000 possibly dead already, when its 10 years down the line and the body count hits 1 million, or when the bills mount up and we end up broke
Chew on this one boys , of the possible 100,000 people killed think of all the mums , dads , sons cousins etc etc which runs in to millions of people . Know who they will be coming for next ? does not take much working out . It\'s very comfortable sitting in our armchairs chewing the fat , we can only do this because it has not effected us , YET .
I always thought war was a last resort , not a first option
I always thought war was a last resort , not a first option
mark
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whoa hang on there a minute fella, get yer facts straight. Al Quaeda were responsible for that not the people of iraq or even saddam. He might have celebrated it, but he weren\'t responsible.
If you want food for thought on 9/11, 2 months before, israeli intelligence informed 2 israeli merchant banks who had offices in the twin towers that an attack was planned. Even though they they still had to pay several hundred thousands dollars in rent and lease agreements they pulled out. Mosad are on record as claiming that they informed the CIA of the Attack at the same time.
draw your own conclusions.
to say an eye for eye ver 9/11 would be like telling israel to nuke austria, cos thats where hitler came from.
9/11 was a huge attrocity. To use it as an excuse to invade iraq is lame at best, and an illegal act of war at worse. under the geneva convention you are are supposed to make a declaration over the commencement of hostilities.
don\'t forget in all of this that the CIA budget in the 80\'s to train and equip Al Queida was over 3 billion dollars, the taliban got nearly 2 billion of US taxpayers money as well.
the internet is a powerful tool. use it wisely
elvis is alive and well living on mars
al Qaeda and Al Jazeera theres evidence both for and against links
you cant believe all you read on the net
any war against terrorist does not need an excuse ,in todays society we are supposed to be civilised ,100,000 dead ?? these people have a choice but they choose to support crackpot religious idiots hell bent on a holy war ,saddams gone they have an offer on the table to rebuild there country do they say yes thankyou ,,no they form splinter groups and continue to fight,killing unarmed civilians who are trying to help them,as ive stated in another thread about this country id pull our lads out and let them get on with it,you can argue all day all night and not win mark ,theres no right or wrong or middle ground ,your original post was to go look and sign the petition ,i choose not to becouse i dont think it will serve any purpose to support a load of tory mps and welshmen/women who may or may not agree with what was done..question ..if the torys had been in power what would they have done ??as i recall thatcher and reagan where bussom pals so whos to say we wouldnt have went to war anyway..its politics and im not interested in partys scoring points off each other ,just another waste of time and money.ive got better things to worry about than a bunch of nutters thousands of miles away most of whom probably deserve shooting
dave he had his chance to conform after iran he .chose instead to poison his own people and bury them in mass graves or is that just another fabrication ? the mans evil and now hes going to pay, the UK and US did these people a favour and they havent the sense to see it
mark
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there\'s a bit of a contradiction in the arguement there. they are all crackpot and want to fight us or they saddam was bad for poisoning them.
it don\'t matter who would of been in power, I suspect we\'d be in a similar situation. It was actually maggie that started the ball rolling for the first gulf war. Which had a far differnt and more deserved reason for prosecuting ie the invasion of another country
don\'t believe everything you see on the net ?? you misunderstand. I don\'t mean look and learn I mean look and disseminate. The facts are not from the internet but from official CIA documents, official UK intelligence reports, the report that followed the WMD enquiry and many others. Available on the net and from HMSO. their availabilty on the net is co-incidental.
the purpose is not to support any tory MP\'s, and if you look closer there aren\'t that many involved, (there arent that many anyway!) why should the fact that some are welsh make a difference. Impeachment will never happen, but if enough people show an interetst it may cause Tone to rethink his position
The americans declaring a war on terrorists is as sickening as 9/11 itself. Ever heard of Noraid, where did the IRA get all and still get all there cash from - the americans. To this day they still hold Noraid benefits to raise funds for the cause.
The sandinistas in South america - same story give the guerillas billions of dollars and wonder why it comes back to haunt us., Al Queida, Taliban, Pol Pot, General Tito, Idi Amin all got where they were with covert funding from the americans, all facts and well documented in many sources including official US goverment publications
It may be thousands of miles away, but the UK is not as far away as the twin towers were. So after suffering years of american (and british, we get tarred with the same brush) oppresion and some nutter takes it upon himself to declare Jihad against a school (think beslan) in the north east and kill hundreds of kids, will be completely free from blame?
those who suffer are the vast majority who are just like us. normal joe\'s who just want to bring up there kids, eat and feel safe.
I\'m curious as to what favour we have done for them, replaced one tyrant with another that is much worse, some favout
pull our lads out and let them get one with it?? just so. pull them out and let them govern themselves. let them have the money for their oil. The americans did just that after they fucked up big style in Iran, and what happened. The Iranians just got on with life, we even now consider them as more moderate in the arab world
All they are wanting is freedom. be that repression from saddam or repression from the USA.
And I can also confirm, that contrary to poplular belief that elvis is no longer living on mars, but is living above the chesterfield on Elswick road
it don\'t matter who would of been in power, I suspect we\'d be in a similar situation. It was actually maggie that started the ball rolling for the first gulf war. Which had a far differnt and more deserved reason for prosecuting ie the invasion of another country
don\'t believe everything you see on the net ?? you misunderstand. I don\'t mean look and learn I mean look and disseminate. The facts are not from the internet but from official CIA documents, official UK intelligence reports, the report that followed the WMD enquiry and many others. Available on the net and from HMSO. their availabilty on the net is co-incidental.
the purpose is not to support any tory MP\'s, and if you look closer there aren\'t that many involved, (there arent that many anyway!) why should the fact that some are welsh make a difference. Impeachment will never happen, but if enough people show an interetst it may cause Tone to rethink his position
The americans declaring a war on terrorists is as sickening as 9/11 itself. Ever heard of Noraid, where did the IRA get all and still get all there cash from - the americans. To this day they still hold Noraid benefits to raise funds for the cause.
The sandinistas in South america - same story give the guerillas billions of dollars and wonder why it comes back to haunt us., Al Queida, Taliban, Pol Pot, General Tito, Idi Amin all got where they were with covert funding from the americans, all facts and well documented in many sources including official US goverment publications
It may be thousands of miles away, but the UK is not as far away as the twin towers were. So after suffering years of american (and british, we get tarred with the same brush) oppresion and some nutter takes it upon himself to declare Jihad against a school (think beslan) in the north east and kill hundreds of kids, will be completely free from blame?
those who suffer are the vast majority who are just like us. normal joe\'s who just want to bring up there kids, eat and feel safe.
I\'m curious as to what favour we have done for them, replaced one tyrant with another that is much worse, some favout
pull our lads out and let them get one with it?? just so. pull them out and let them govern themselves. let them have the money for their oil. The americans did just that after they fucked up big style in Iran, and what happened. The Iranians just got on with life, we even now consider them as more moderate in the arab world
All they are wanting is freedom. be that repression from saddam or repression from the USA.
And I can also confirm, that contrary to poplular belief that elvis is no longer living on mars, but is living above the chesterfield on Elswick road
It will never end and I agree with the war and with the actions of Bush and Blair.Fight fire with fire,right or wrong who knows but theres no reasoning with these people,they are brain washed into thinking theres life after death,think the jury still out on that one.
My brother works in Baghdad and he says it will always be chaos there,they\'ve only known one rule and thats with an Iron fist...........they estimate between 10 and 20 years for it to stabilize,thats a long time and alot of death and hardship.
My brother works in Baghdad and he says it will always be chaos there,they\'ve only known one rule and thats with an Iron fist...........they estimate between 10 and 20 years for it to stabilize,thats a long time and alot of death and hardship.
Even if agree or disagree with the actions , my point is this . By attacking Iraq it has used up vital resources that should be used to bring the real culprits to justice . Remember there were no iraqis or even afghans in the attack on the towers and here we are two/three years later and Bin Laden and co: are still at large . That is a major failure in itself .
At worst , we are looking in the wrong place and it is the height of INCOMPETANCE to use up your efforts and not come up with the \"goods\" . Bush and Blair have had plenty of time to nail Al Queda and have failed to do so , how much longer do we give them ??
The biggest shame of all is we have alienated the very people who could have helped us catch the b......d and turned them against us . Well done Tony
At worst , we are looking in the wrong place and it is the height of INCOMPETANCE to use up your efforts and not come up with the \"goods\" . Bush and Blair have had plenty of time to nail Al Queda and have failed to do so , how much longer do we give them ??
The biggest shame of all is we have alienated the very people who could have helped us catch the b......d and turned them against us . Well done Tony
