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sean start
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Seen a picture on Facebook of people with crab and mate my has made some too so I think it is there mate.
jamiebrennan
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Its there but not much, probs be best waiting another month or so. Question: Is it like peeler though were too much freshwater etc puts them back?
jamiebrennan
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same as any other bait, good on its day.
Philthebag
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Eggs are there, made a load the other day, no magic bait but on its day like anything out fishes anything, same as peeler crab same as white worm.
Philthebag
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No mate conditions have nothing to do with it its the season where they spawn, i am still un sold thats its purely down to the eggs i think its the actuall meat, i cant see how it differs from using eater peeler its the same meat just in a different form,
I have done a fair bit of reading around the subject of the lifecycle and habits of crabs on our shoreline. A brief summary of the brown crab can be seen here;
Edible Crab Cancer Pagurus
All our native crabs follow a similar cycle at a similar time of year. Eggs of crustaceans (like crabs and lobsters) are mainly made up of lipids(fats) and protein. This is what the larvae inside lives off before hatching. It's also highly nutritional to any predator (in a similar way to how we drink milk/eat eggs). When the female fertilises the eggs in the autumn it is likely that they have a scent/pheromones that predators (like cod) can detect in the water. This fish are then 'switched on' to looking for this highly nutritious food source.This is why the female crabs dig burrows or hide under rocks during this process - they are vulnerable to predation. It also explains why cart is so effective in the autumn as it is a good source that cod are actively seeking out. It may also explain why cart isn't as successful when crabs are not carrying eggs (as the fish aren't looking for or expecting it - although I'm sure they would take it under their nose).
Edible Crab Cancer Pagurus
All our native crabs follow a similar cycle at a similar time of year. Eggs of crustaceans (like crabs and lobsters) are mainly made up of lipids(fats) and protein. This is what the larvae inside lives off before hatching. It's also highly nutritional to any predator (in a similar way to how we drink milk/eat eggs). When the female fertilises the eggs in the autumn it is likely that they have a scent/pheromones that predators (like cod) can detect in the water. This fish are then 'switched on' to looking for this highly nutritious food source.This is why the female crabs dig burrows or hide under rocks during this process - they are vulnerable to predation. It also explains why cart is so effective in the autumn as it is a good source that cod are actively seeking out. It may also explain why cart isn't as successful when crabs are not carrying eggs (as the fish aren't looking for or expecting it - although I'm sure they would take it under their nose).
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Stewart 1971
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Argh...want to try cart but I'm north of the tyne
Pretty certain that the bye-laws for Northumberland were updated last November allowing the use of edible crab for bait by rod and line fishermen:
6. A person must not use edible crab for bait except for :
(a) the use of cooked crab offal as bait; or
(b) the use of edible crab as bait for recreational rod fishing,
where the edible crab used is above the statutory minimum
landings size.
Link to original document: NIFCA Byelaws
Unless of course I am reading it wrong but I don't think I am
NICKY
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very interesting since none of the nifca has said whats written be interesting to see what I few of the clubs north of the tyne make of this
Stewart 1971
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Hi Nicky it is an odd one, elsewhere on the website the bye-laws don't show part 6(b) whilst the booklet from November 2014 does. Of course it could be that this was proposed and voted against but it does give you lads up there something to work with and get clarification on.
g-force
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From a post in the Boat forum a few days ago:
At present it is illegal to use Edible Crab (Cancer pagurus) in the Northumberland IFCA District. This is in accordance with Byelaw 9.
The district spans from the centre of the River Tyne to the English/Scottish Border - from the tidal limits of the estuaries, out to 6 Nautical Miles.
The Byelaw is currently out for consultation and is in the hands of DEFRA. As such we cannot currently offer an estimate of when the process will be complete.
If you require any more information please contact the office and ask to speak to a Fishery Officer.
Stores
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Les posted this last year. Clearly a proposal, but I can see where you're coming from Stewart.
http://www.nesa.co.uk/forums/conservation/284557-crab-cart-northumberland.html
http://www.nesa.co.uk/forums/conservation/284557-crab-cart-northumberland.html
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How can they enforce a ban if their current byelaws contradict their position? It makes no sense. The above provision clearly allows the use of Cart in their area??
