crab traps your help needed

[jimmy]

me not being a legal eagle or anything BUT to be accused of fly tipping, you must be tipping on land OWNED and looked after by someone other than yourself and that when you tip whatever you WILL NOT be coming back to it.

1, My arguement would be to find out WHO OWNS the actual LAND the tyres were being put on

2, Provide PROOF that they were NOT infact DUMPED, but were to be used as crab traps (which is NOT ILLEGAL) Proof such as how often he would attend the traps,clean the traps out etc.Plenty information on the net on how to bury the tyrse, clean them out when need be and when to go down to your tyres

if there is NO owner of the land,who is there to bring a prosecution?

only my opinion but with very valid points i think,INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY, the onus is on the prosecution to PROVE he TIPPED them with the intention of not going back

 

[codseeker]

obviously the so called who ever is prosacuting must of been watching and noticed the guy was setting them in the silt, slek etc and not just flinging them out of a truck to get shot of i think whoever is trying this is just trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill and should think again and sling there hook elsewhere or find another way of making news

 

[waco]

there is a policeman i heard of put out tyres a few years ago, dunno if he still does them and there are crabbers who know him , and if he reckons its safe to give his details then i will

 

[Charlton]

obviously the so called who ever is prosacuting must of been watching and noticed the guy was setting them in the silt, slek etc and not just flinging them out of a truck to get shot of i think whoever is trying this is just trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill and should think again and sling there hook elsewhere or find another way of making news

this could also be a test case and then where would anglers be, the lot would be taken out. We have had a good bit of positive feed back and help as they realise the implications of the case. We need as much info as possible, can't see the problem with giving me your name, contact number, the number of tyres you USE, just say you didn't put them there, they would have to prove you did. The contact number wil be kept by me unless the lads solicitor needs to talk to anyone. don't wait until it is to late, and you never know you might be in the situation where you need the help of fellow anglers, if you didn't help here you might just be told to get lost, but i doubt it.

 

[Tompa]

Alan, look at bigloada's thread about bait digging. Is this not what you need?? Tony Anderson has already taken them and won........does this not come under the same sort of thing???

Cheers

Tony

 

[mick dunn]

Hello lads-the solicitor is doing a good job here by explaining the fact that other anglers leave tyres / traps submerged in the sand or mud to catch crab as bait.
Bearing in mind the magistrates will probs know nothing about angling / bait collecting.
By explaining and producing evidence other people leave traps people - his client will have an excellent defence.
Another good question is if the tyres were to be fly tipped why not just chuck them in a layby where i see most dumped.
mick.

 

[Charlton]

Alan, look at bigloada's thread about bait digging. Is this not what you need?? Tony Anderson has already taken them and won........does this not come under the same sort of thing???

Cheers

Tony

it would be if he where being charged with collecting bait, but he is charged with fly tipping

 

[pottsy]

it would be if he where being charged with collecting bait, but he is charged with fly tipping

If his defence case is that he wasnt fly tipping but collecting bait it is still relevant - just a different method of collection surely.

 

[Charlton]

If his defence case is that he wasnt fly tipping but collecting bait it is still relevant - just a different method of collection surely.

if his solicitor proves he was setting traps for bait then he will be alright, by saying he is fly tipping, they are saying he was not setting traps for bait.

 

[codseeker]

well did he get them put in place at the time if so he can take the jury down and show em what hes after and set the big doggers onto the prosocuters

 

[Charlton]

well did he get them put in place at the time if so he can take the jury down and show em what hes after and set the big doggers onto the prosocuters

think he was in that much of a hurry to get away after dumping them he only had time to get eleven out, he thought he would just lay them out nicely for them, very thoughtful and good fly tipper he would make.

 

[mick dunn]

The prosecution have to prove BEYOND ALL REASONABLE DOUBT (thats 100%-if they are only 99% he would get off) this lad was dumping the tryes and fly tipping.
This is the basis of criminal law.
If there is any doubt he was not he will get off.
Civil law is a lower burden-thats why its easier to prove cases at court.
In civil you have to prove a likleyhood.
Was it likely he was dumping the tyres? or leaving them for baiting-supporting letters of people who use tyres will be of real assisitance.

 

[ryanlee]

i have 290 tyres at cambois behind old powerstation,they range from the first out let to the wooden wreck.

 

[Charlton]

If his defence case is that he wasnt fly tipping but collecting bait it is still relevant - just a different method of collection surely.

defen ce has got to prove he was using the tyres to collect bait

 

[codseeker]

spoke to the lad tonight and a genuine lad ,told me what had happened etc hope he gets more support from other lads too and the case gets flung out