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As someone who cut his serious angling teeth on boatfishing 20 years ago in the days before people used fish finders and you used to just go on a drift until you hit a shoal, I remember the days when we would come back with boxes and boxes of cod and no-one wanted to take it and I regret that. I also remember the early days of this site, where you could read of 2-300 cod taken on the charter boats in a session. Times that by the number of trips and it sure does mount up. Are those same boats that hammered the wrecks and inshore marks still doing as well or are they suffering the same problem as the commercials by not leaving some for tomorrow.
Truth is, we can never stop the commercials doing the untold damage that they do, but we can change our habits to ensure that we do not compound the already precarious situation that the cod are in.


Trouble is with your point Jamcod about targetting the flats is that they aren't fairing much better at the mo.

Agree with Stores about the fish size, the big uns are breeders and don't taste half as nice as a 2-3lber and I'd put you in charge of fisheries in Brussels for your idea on quotas

As with the whole situation with fishing at the mo, I'm considering packing in the club fishing this winter. It's a lot of expense for very little enjoyment at times and I think I've fallen out of love with that.
I may just pick and choose me own times to fish and it frees me Sundays up.
 
My thoughts.
Commercials = politics= politicians= voters= commercials there communities family's and support industries and so the circle continues.
The checks and balances that have been put in place over the last 100 years have been done so by the fishing industry themselves, they have kept on taking, it does not work. So who is to blame?
There is a European protection zone that runs north from Alnmouth to well into Scotland, On the Scottish side there is a no trawl zone guess what on the Northumberland side, yes you guessed it you can do what you like.
The Northumberland Sea Fisheries committee is fighting to stay on its own and not be merged under the Marine Bill, I wonder why. Change is needed and we know from the Marine Bill Licence issue it is only done by being proactive and getting together. Perhaps pressure needs to be placed on those that have the power to make local byelaws, the NSFC.
Red5 you have got me thinking. "I am considering packing in the club fishing"
Is this on a conservation point or just lack of fish?
I am as guilty as anybody else on this one. Club competitions and opens in the North East require you to bring back fish to be weighed in, moral dilemma in these times. No body has a problem with taking fish for themselves.
Big money in competitions
Cup or money in your club or league
Any suggestions on how to change our competitions to catch and release remember it is the geography of our part of the world and the reason many of us fish rock marks??
On the crab and worm issue, is it money again or just us guys collecting for ourselves and taking to much just like the commercials, or are there other out there? Selling on e-bay and other forums! again could be regulated by Council’s or NSFC.
The marine bill will be setting up Marine protection zone and lots more and even possible bag limits this again may be area dependant.
On the Small boat front look at this commercial recreational sea angling charter.
All catch and release, if you do not like it go elsewhere. Read the site and look what has happened to inshore fish stocks and some of the broken records none of which can be claimed without killing the fish?? Needless to say no one has. Scotland again.
Skipper's Logbook 2007
Click on “About us” and read the bottom of the page.
Join the SACN it’s free.
Sea Anglers' Conservation Network
 
loopy said:
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The checks and balances that have been put in place over the last 100 years have been done so by the fishing industry themselves, they have kept on taking, it does not work. So who is to blame?
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its not quite that cut and dried though. 2 major factors.

1: we joined the EU. 'WE' don't have a fishery anymore, we 'SHARE' Europe's. Our fish are also their fish, so any member of the EU is entitled to come and catch what they want from what used to be 'our' waters, pre EU, dwindling stocks were not an issue, there was plenty of fish in the north sea. Post EU we are in the current mess - that is not the fault of the UK fleet

2: the EU allows the trading/selling of quotas and allowances, so the more money minded commercial enterprise will buy up whatever licenses and quotas they can get their hands on and the send bigger ships (not boats but ships) to come and bag up in the areas opened up to them in 1. above. you are allowed a quota be that from france/spain, greece or wherever. spanish quotas are worth little as there's nothing left to catch, so buy up loads of spanish quote, build a big ship to accommodate it and send it north, the big ship with a big quota is then very viable economically. The EU and the CFP still do not recognise this as an issue. mainly because the member states that support this practices are those with sod all left in their own waters

for what its worth I think quota trading should be outlawed, and a limit imposed on vessel size. smaller vessels over all (say less than 75') would not be able to travel the distance the big ships do and be economically viable. Much better to see lots of small ports supporting a thriving industry than a couple of ports servicing a handful of multi-million pound fish harvesting machines.
 
loopy said:
Red5 you have got me thinking. "I am considering packing in the club fishing"
Is this on a conservation point or just lack of fish?
I am as guilty as anybody else on this one. Club competitions and opens in the North East require you to bring back fish to be weighed in, moral dilemma in these times. No body has a problem with taking fish for themselves.
Big money in competitions
Cup or money in your club or league
Any suggestions on how to change our competitions to catch and release remember it is the geography of our part of the world and the reason many of us fish rock marks??

Think we have discussed in the past about why I feel the way I do about club fishing Les....Have myself a new mistress now in the Junior football who is seemingly far more attractive
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Think we have discussed in the past about why I feel the way I do about club fishing Les....Have myself a new mistress now in the Junior football who is seemingly far more attractive[/QUOTE]


Hmmmm....my quote probably wasn't great there....I sound like the old guy off family guy!
 
Mark you are absolutely right it is not that simple, To much to discuss and not enough time but I am generally talking about the under 10 m and the six mile limit who the NSFC have control over. We as recreational sea anglers are indeed represented on that committee (soon to be IFCA) by two RSA member's and hopefully in the future more as per the Marine Bill draft. We have been consulted once and Government know we potentially have a large voice, or was that vote's as the Drew report said we were worth £538 million with an overall value to the economy of over 1 billion, directly supporting 19,000 livelihoods and growing.

Red does the wife know. :red:
 
get ya point red5 about the flats all am saying is dont target cod every time we need to go fishing off shore or inshore . thanks for the response to the thread great reading as ever , jamcod
 
Red5 said:
What that I sound like the old fella off family guy or that she's no longer as fishing widow, but a junior football widow!
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Herbert!

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Just recently got into Family Guy and it has got to be the most Un PC programme I've seen in years. HILARIOUS
 
We've got all the box sets of each series, slightly shocking that my kids got me into it! Take it you've seen the Star Wars skit one (Blue Harvest)? If you like Family Guy then American dad will go down well, same people and similar concept (disfunctional family with an OTT father).
 
Aye been watchin them both on BBC 3. Saw the crossover the other week when Stewie finally managed to take over the US and the CIA guy was American dad. loved the episode where he was sent to Saudi Arabia. Again...so Un-pc.

Blue Harvest was a great episode....George Lucas should have used the principle when he decided to murder the prequels.

Sorry about goin off topic lads but you've got to watch both programmes.
 
Exactly where do you start trying to formulate a sensible answer to this thread?

The first and most important point is that it has been proven that rod and line caught fish are sustainable in the fishery. This is important in that RSA's have spent a long time proving (despite already knowing this to be the case)this is the case and commercials are seeking accreditation as being sustainable to allow them to sell the products with a MSC(Marine Stewardship Council) stamp at a premium rate to the end users who are increasingly demanding enviromentally friendly products.

I can tell you now that the commercials are seeking to create/get approval for a handlined makrel fishery in Northumberland as it was discussed at a recent scf meeting. Personally I have no problem with that but in retrospect is it just something they can do while waiting for the pots/gill nets to fill up?

So what can we do as anglers to get things changed...

Its simple...we complain.

NE anglers ( and particularly those on here) were the final straw that broke the camels back with regard to the license issue...thats gone but people are still lobbying parliament representing sea anglers...the problem is the issue always come back to BASS...BASS and more f*king BASS.

I dont believe that a single representative at all the meetings that are held in westminster
a) Lives north of Watford
b)Gives a dam about anything fishing related beyond that point.

(I Apologise to the three people I know who have attended meeting in the past because I know you do care or you would not have made the effort to travel down there)

We need a NE organisation to represent us in these talks,,,put our point across...tell them our problems and maybe someone may listen.

I am looking to propose a trawling ban on a proportion of the Northumberland coastline, I can take this to the SFC and say "hey I think this is a good idea" and they will laugh at me.I could go with letters from every club in Northumberland and say 5000 people think this a good idea....( and for the word "people" you could put the word "voters" ) then see if they laugh.

I have sent a lot of emails regarding this proposal and so far recieved just one reply. Maybe anglers dont want to see improvements and just want to complain...if thats the case just carry on and accept what we get...or we could get our act together and get things changed.

I am looking to invite the labour angling spokesman to our region to find out what we are about....any volunteers to take him fishing? Maybe the Conservative spokesman as well.

There are no rules about how close a trawler can come inshore except about the one that says its best not to run aground. Until we do something about it that will always be the case.

Cheers
Dave
 
davem2005 said:
I have sent a lot of emails regarding this proposal and so far recieved just one reply. Maybe anglers dont want to see improvements and just want to complain...if thats the case just carry on and accept what we get...or we could get our act together and get things changed.

I am looking to invite the labour angling spokesman to our region to find out what we are about....any volunteers to take him fishing? Maybe the Conservative spokesman as well.

There are no rules about how close a trawler can come inshore except about the one that says its best not to run aground. Until we do something about it that will always be the case.

Cheers
Dave
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I can tell you how interested my club is Dave, by the amount of them that came to the meeting in Newbiggin and the response I got from your proposal to ban trawling in Northumberland. Zero.
 
That is the problem...

Yep a licenses issue gets responsethen everyone goes back to busines as normal.

We can blame the cfp...but as anglers we are far more intrested in what happens out to six miles...and its the one region we can have a say in.

Your club is not the only one to ignore the potential for major change/improvement...all the others did, the press, more worryingly the NFSA did totally. This is the body standing up in parliament and saying they represent anglers...but will they officially propose a major change here in the NE ...NO seems to be the answer.

The good news is I wont be dropping the subject just struggling more to see some change that will benefit all anglers both shore and boat. The one answer I did get was from the EMS manager to say they would support a proposal to ban trawling. Shame the anglers dont seem to feel the same.

One interesting bylaw I came across is about the size of boats allowed to fish inside 6 miles....Exactly how big is the Pansy Mark? :)

Cheers
Dave
 
You gettin worried charlie....

An oversize angling boat fishing in a sfc region down south has actually been discussed in parliament....

#

You could be the next!


Worried yet....

I raised it as a question at the sfc meeting in january..." would the sfc be prosecuting rsa boats over "x" meters that are caught fishing inside 6 miles?as other sfc's have done?"

Want to know what X = ?

Want to know the reply?

Call 090016696969 for an answer...calls cost 43 quid a second....expect to be on hold for at least 37.347 minutes as an average!

:)
 
davem2005 said:
You gettin worried charlie....

An oversize angling boat fishing in a sfc region down south has actually been discussed in parliament....

#

You could be the next!


Worried yet....

I raised it as a question at the sfc meeting in january..." would the sfc be prosecuting rsa boats over "x" meters that are caught fishing inside 6 miles?as other sfc's have done?"

Want to know what X = ?

Want to know the reply?

Call 090016696969 for an answer...calls cost 43 quid a second....expect to be on hold for at least 37.347 minutes as an average!

:)
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We'll chop her in half and sell the blunt end to Richy :yltype:
 

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