Fishing Trip Makes National News

[Glenn Kilpatrick]

An internet forum report on an angling trip onboard Whitby's Chieftain Charters Fishing boat has caused controversy after it was printed in the commercial fishing newspaper - The Fishing News. The report of an exceptional few days fishing was published in this weeks fishing news and appears to have upset some commercial fishermen. A copy of the newspaper article can be found in the Whitby Fishing forum. There are fears amongst some local anglers that this will lead to commercial fishermen calling for bag limits to restrict the catches of sea anglers. However some local anglers also agree with bag limits that could actually soon be imposed under new legislation which will soon go through parliament as part of the governments marine bill.

Whitby Forum Member Paul Says -

"Well I personally wouldn't mind seeing a restriction imposed on the amount of fish you can keep when recreational fishing. I understand they are putting a limit on it in the Channel Islands as a test bed. As long as the commercials stay within their boundaries then so would I. Anything to help protect fish stocks. no matter how small its got to be a good thing.80 STONES OF FILLET IS TAKING THE P*SS. And the comment about "Supplying the family" is an insult to my intelligence. I love fishing I have my own boat but I cannot abide Greed. I think it has raised a valid point. "

Agree or disagree ??

Why not pop into our forum and have your say.

 

[crewman]

An internet forum report on an angling trip onboard Whitby's Chieftain Charters Fishing boat has caused controversy after it was printed in the commercial fishing newspaper - The Fishing News. The report of an exceptional few days fishing was published in this weeks fishing news and appears to have upset some commercial fishermen. A copy of the newspaper article can be found in the Whitby Fishing forum. There are fears amongst some local anglers that this will lead to commercial fishermen calling for bag limits to restrict the catches of sea anglers. However some local anglers also agree with bag limits that could actually soon be imposed under new legislation which will soon go through parliament as part of the governments marine bill.

Whitby Forum Member Paul Says -

"Well I personally wouldn't mind seeing a restriction imposed on the amount of fish you can keep when recreational fishing. I understand they are putting a limit on it in the Channel Islands as a test bed. As long as the commercials stay within their boundaries then so would I. Anything to help protect fish stocks. no matter how small its got to be a good thing.80 STONES OF FILLET IS TAKING THE P*SS. And the comment about "Supplying the family" is an insult to my intelligence. I love fishing I have my own boat but I cannot abide Greed. I think it has raised a valid point. "

Agree or disagree ??

Why not pop into our forum and have your say.

As people may know I posted the particular posting (fishing report) on that forum.
I did not submit it to the fishing news; they did not ask my permission or the permission of Elton.
I have no problems with that. It was a good trip, but we have had better this summer.
Commercial fishermen know what we do and what we catch, we talk to them all the time when we are at sea. The ones we talk to have nothing but praise for what we do.
John (chieftain skipper) has never pretended to be an angler with a boat.
The success that he gets for his anglers comes from the years of experience and knowledge that he gained when commercial fishing.
This and the progressive management of our fishery that we practice allow us to maintain a healthy fishery that is hardly touched and certainly never over exploited.
There was a great cartoon that went with the article (that fishing news had added) I was then accused (on the forum) of being a spy for the commercial sector. Infiltrating the forum to try and divide recreational fishermen away from there would be representatives.
That’s life I suppose.
Regards.

 

[Charlton]

firstly Crewman i would imagine they have infringed copyright by using your information without your permission, unless they can prove they got the information from another source that they can verify. i did ask a few Q's on Whitbys site about the trip but that seems to be the last post on i subject i thought would have provoked a great deal of shall we say discussion. I know many charter skippers that get on well with commercial skippers, it is asd that we sjhould really all be working together to protect our fish not calling each other for catching fish. Obvioulsy though some shall we say less profitable and knowledable commercial enterprises are a tadge jealous of your success and are using it against you. Obvioulsy you need to advertise your catches to keep business going but at times as you have found out it has backfired slightly.

 

[T.C.]

Ok.....not making any comments on the rights / wrongs of anything regarding the catch referred to - just pointing out the relevent part of the NESA Terms and Conditions:

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[willywetegg]

Might be worth posting this in every section or even thread of NESA Tony. Some of the people that pick up info from here just don't care mate.

Never mind now that the traps have been set lets see what gets copied now lol.

Jim.

 

[crewman]

firstly Crewman i would imagine they have infringed copyright by using your information without your permission, unless they can prove they got the information from another source that they can verify. i did ask a few Q's on Whitbys site about the trip but that seems to be the last post on i subject i thought would have provoked a great deal of shall we say discussion. I know many charter skippers that get on well with commercial skippers, it is asd that we sjhould really all be working together to protect our fish not calling each other for catching fish. Obvioulsy though some shall we say less profitable and knowledable commercial enterprises are a tadge jealous of your success and are using it against you. Obvioulsy you need to advertise your catches to keep business going but at times as you have found out it has backfired slightly.

Hi Charlton.
Thanks for your words of support.
The name of the thread that I put that post on was called “cod crisis, what cod crisis” it got a massive response, and went of in all sorts of directions.
I assure you, I did not put the thread and the picture on to advertise. I put it on because of all the negative response that the forum was getting in regards of the lack of cod in the North Sea.
I was only stating that our fishing management methods had reaped rewards this year.
The best cod fishing season that we had seen in 5 years.
http://www.chieftaincharters.com/PHOTOS SEPT-OCT 06.htm
There were lots of arguments (as you can imagine) on what our anglers where doing and what was acceptable for a days catch.
It went on and on and turned out to be a very good debate, at least I thought it was.
Of course forums are there to be read and my original thread was picked up on and ended up in the inn tray of the editor of Fishing News.
Now I have no problem with that, in fact I have no problem at all in people using anything I say.
What I do have a problem with is when individuals say that I sent the post in to the said editor in order to cause some kind of friction between commercial fishermen and recreational anglers.
As for the Whitby forum Charlton? Well they have now denied me access. Maybe they don’t want to here about an alternative fishery? Who knows? They again used my posting, (without my permission) and had a strong debate on the issue.
When I tried to contribute to my own literal fate, I was denied access.
Strange, there was a member of the trip in mention that was also denied access to the Whitby forum.
Still who cares, if they want to run a closed shop forum then so be it.
Regards to you all.
John

 

[Charlton]

Crewman, i personally dont mind anybody using any of my stuff as long as they ask first, this is mainly so i can keep track of it and answer any queeries raised (have my say) If this does not happen I bring it to the notice of the site owner or whatever/whoever thqat someone has used something without permission. I think a little e mail to the editor might be appropriate in your case. Maybe he would also like to publish an article when your catches have not been so good, or the number of times you have had to cancel trips because of the weather? As for lack of cod in the north sea, it seems as now the scientists are now agreeing with a long term study taken over some 75 years that although commercial fishing has affected cod catches it also has a great deal to do with global warming and cold water plankton, which cod feed on being replaced by warm water plankton, this has caused the cod to move north and why bumpers catches are being taken in the colder northern waters. Unfortunately crewman whatever you do (and i know from personal experience) will be picked up by certain parties the wrong way.

 

[Oblickta]

Hi Glenn, this thread has been hovering since you posted it and I wondered how long it would be before someone responded. We met in a pub in Whitby just after Sea Spray and MP & co landed the second porgie. I was the big handsome one lol that bought you a pint of shandy, or was it snake bite? Anyway, it's your round next time.


Hi john, I fished with Chieftan charters this year on a 70h trip, 23 June (I think). You prob remember me as the big handsome one lol. We talked about tope fishing for a while and you sorted me with some gear when I was getting a bit short, thank you. I enjoyed my trip and met some great people and would like to do it again, regards to John and Michelle.


Hi Alan (C), I've met you on a few occasions and sure last time was on a nesa day out with Jim, TC & keith etc (Hi all) caught 2 canny fish and you didn't do too bad, if my memory serves me right. I witnessed AC catching his own fish lol. BTW, I was the big handsome blanker lol.


Also this year, I have met, fished and drank with mr Ian Burrett and mr Davy Holt. For anyone that doesn't know these guys, they are icons in the world of sport fishing and conservation but they will hate me for calling them icons. They are dedicated men and I applaud their commitment. BTW Ian and Davy, I was the big handsome one lol.


I've read all the arguments for and against everything re: sea fishing (commercial and RSA) and I cant seem to agree with anyone cos everyone seems to have valid points of view. It seems that evryone is right but nobody will do anything about it to the contrary.


I cant submit this post without a special thank you to Dave Morton (davem2005) for making 2006 a very special fishing year for me. BTW Dave, I was the big handsome one lol.

 

[KeithB]

I was the big handsome one lol.

Quick Graham!!!

 

[Oblickta]

PMSL

It was my dream

 

[willywetegg]

I've read all the arguments for and against everything re: sea fishing (commercial and RSA) and I cant seem to agree with anyone cos everyone seems to have valid points of view. It seems that evryone is right but nobody will do anything about it to the contrary.

As long as it stays like that then no problem Graham mate.

Keith you really need some help mate. When I get my new PC I will help you all I can with the down loading of pictures like that one mate, Class lol.

Jim.

 

[crewman]

graham

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Hello graham.
Glad you enjoyed your trip with us on chieftain.
I too find different points of view on forums fascinating.
We tend to let go of conversation more at sea, because we have more important things to do than talk.
A forum I suppose is like a book, in that it at times can be good company.
The difference with forums is that although you cannot change the ending to the story, you can often influence the characters.
Regards. Crewman.

 

[Glenn Kilpatrick]

It appears there is a term under copyright law which allows the use of such materials for review, critique or reporting of current events. This information was discussed on anglersnet recently and Elton seemed to ackonwledge it.

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=69753

Appears the fishing news took advantage of that part of copyright law.

As I also learnt recently the press seem pretty aware of this. After I told them I didn't want the contents of my website discussed in the press I was told the information was in the public domain and they could use it if they so wished. I advised they took legal advice before they did only to recieve an immediate reply that they already had. I wouldn't like anyone else to fall foul of that.

http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/c-manage/c-useenforce/c-useenforce-use/c-useenforce-use-exception.htm

 

[Charlie_Thompson]

been following the debate on anglersnet - very interesting