gill nets
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willywetegg
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To the best of my knowledge I have NEVER seen anyone. I have certainly never been aproached by anyone and as I fish an area where Bass can be caught I find it surprising.
I wouldn\'t be looking for Bass at the Beacons at any time of the week.
Jim.
I wouldn\'t be looking for Bass at the Beacons at any time of the week.
Jim.
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I\'m working now............3:00am........lol
Is there such a thing as a \"fast response\" as far as DEFRA are concerned???? Chances are the netters would be long gone before anybody showed up.
I appreciate what you say Jim - about the more who report such things , the more action might be taken - but having worked in Local Govt for 28 years......I doubt it would prove to be a fast enough response......BUT.....I hope I\'m wrong.
Is there such a thing as a \"fast response\" as far as DEFRA are concerned???? Chances are the netters would be long gone before anybody showed up.
I appreciate what you say Jim - about the more who report such things , the more action might be taken - but having worked in Local Govt for 28 years......I doubt it would prove to be a fast enough response......BUT.....I hope I\'m wrong.
Apologies for the slow response over this, very busy at work and unfortunately that comes first (sometimes!!!!).
With regard to the placement of static nets (gill nets), within the NESFC boundaries they have to be outside the 10m depth contour, if they are inside at this time of year they are illegally set. I\'ll try and get the mobile number of the new area 1 nesfc officer, he is apparently very keen and since taking up his post he\'s taken more prosecutions than the other areas put together. However, it should be noted that the NE does suffer more than any other area from unlicensed netting, it seems that quite a high proportion of people with private boats do set their own gear, more so than any other area.
The EA do tend to work only Mon - Fri, and the problem is exaccerbated when they have very few staff, who have little marine experience and for the major part are totally tied up with salmon and sea trout and or FW issues. Whilst they have warranted officers, their remit is not particularly directed at marine enforcement, that is usually the role of NESFC officers and the SFI or new marine agency.
Pauls point about boundaries around piers and jettys/harbour walls is an excellent one, and something that is well worth discussing further. I had hoped that it could be one of the issues discussed at a meeting with the NESFC, as it was an issue raised by Terry Wood (I think but could be wrong) at Gateshead however, the response so far to the idea of such a meeting has been luke warm.
The issue of response times is a difficult one, the information has to be called in first hand, not taken from someone who heard it from his brothers, uncles, son-in-laws sister. The fisheries officers will only act on duff information for so long, then they\'ll tend to ignore it. The right numbers need to be called, with specific locations etc, a phone call 48 hrs after the event will be no good. I\'ll try and put up a list of the relevent numbers by area. The DEFRA numbers are probably not a good first point of call, as much of their work is related to outside 6 miles, inside this its the NESFC.
Sean, I know exactly who you mean (Harvey), he\'s an ex-Brid trawler skipper, he currently holds a salmon licence and is legitimate. There is nothing in the regulations that state he has to return any fish other than salmon or sea trout, basically he can retain whatever he catches as long as it is within the MLS. The disappointing thing is that the flatties were probably either flounder or dab and as such they will end up as pot bait for one of his friends in Brid, which is a total and utter waste if they are still alive, however, if dead then I guess they will come to some use, better than just left lying on the beach for the shitehawks.
Sless the number is the NESFC head office in Bridlington, although its a Hull code. A good starting point during working hours and possibly a good contact to get the area 1\'s mobile or contact number from.
Chers for now I\'ll post numbers ASAP
Doc
With regard to the placement of static nets (gill nets), within the NESFC boundaries they have to be outside the 10m depth contour, if they are inside at this time of year they are illegally set. I\'ll try and get the mobile number of the new area 1 nesfc officer, he is apparently very keen and since taking up his post he\'s taken more prosecutions than the other areas put together. However, it should be noted that the NE does suffer more than any other area from unlicensed netting, it seems that quite a high proportion of people with private boats do set their own gear, more so than any other area.
The EA do tend to work only Mon - Fri, and the problem is exaccerbated when they have very few staff, who have little marine experience and for the major part are totally tied up with salmon and sea trout and or FW issues. Whilst they have warranted officers, their remit is not particularly directed at marine enforcement, that is usually the role of NESFC officers and the SFI or new marine agency.
Pauls point about boundaries around piers and jettys/harbour walls is an excellent one, and something that is well worth discussing further. I had hoped that it could be one of the issues discussed at a meeting with the NESFC, as it was an issue raised by Terry Wood (I think but could be wrong) at Gateshead however, the response so far to the idea of such a meeting has been luke warm.
The issue of response times is a difficult one, the information has to be called in first hand, not taken from someone who heard it from his brothers, uncles, son-in-laws sister. The fisheries officers will only act on duff information for so long, then they\'ll tend to ignore it. The right numbers need to be called, with specific locations etc, a phone call 48 hrs after the event will be no good. I\'ll try and put up a list of the relevent numbers by area. The DEFRA numbers are probably not a good first point of call, as much of their work is related to outside 6 miles, inside this its the NESFC.
Sean, I know exactly who you mean (Harvey), he\'s an ex-Brid trawler skipper, he currently holds a salmon licence and is legitimate. There is nothing in the regulations that state he has to return any fish other than salmon or sea trout, basically he can retain whatever he catches as long as it is within the MLS. The disappointing thing is that the flatties were probably either flounder or dab and as such they will end up as pot bait for one of his friends in Brid, which is a total and utter waste if they are still alive, however, if dead then I guess they will come to some use, better than just left lying on the beach for the shitehawks.
Sless the number is the NESFC head office in Bridlington, although its a Hull code. A good starting point during working hours and possibly a good contact to get the area 1\'s mobile or contact number from.
Chers for now I\'ll post numbers ASAP
Doc
willywetegg
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Thank\'s very much Doc.
Jim.
Jim.
YoursTruly
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Doc, have you got any news on the issues i brought at last meeting, Gateshead.
Pots around Herd Groyne, S/S pier and Roker Pier.
Terry
Pots around Herd Groyne, S/S pier and Roker Pier.
Terry
Hi Terry, apologies for the slow response to this.
I spoke to the CFO a couple of days ago and raised the issue with him, he is aware of the problem and I offered to go out with the NE Guardian to assess the scale of the problem and to identify where possible the illegal pots/nets and to try and determine how to remove them. His response was that there maybe problems of draft in terms of getting the NE guardian close enough to assess the situation. I pointed out to him that if this was the case them the gears where definitely set illegally and as a consequence should be removed ASAP.
What I need to do now is to try and determine the scale of the problem both on a spatial and temporal basis, as this has implications for both the NESFC and the EA (salmon and trout) if nets are set during the summer and not just out of season. To my mind the fact that they cannot get in to assess the problem because of draft and safety issues, is not a good reason to ignore the problem, especially when it has such a great impact on other users. I\'ll continue to persue this paricular line at the moment, until I get nowhere with it, then I\'ll have to take it up with a higher body.
The CFO did acknowlege that there is a significant problem with illegal netting in the northern part of the NESFC district and that it is an ongoing issue. He contends that much of the illegal netting is not set by legitimate commercial, but by hobby fishermen trying to supplement their income, irrespective of who is setting the gear it needs to be removed and the limits of the netting byelaw enforced. The NESFC are the managers and enforcers of the Fishery, not just the commercial sector. I will try and force this issue, but would not expect too much action this side of xmas, as with all fisheries related issues it takes too long to get the wheels of authority into motion.
Cheers for now
Doc
I spoke to the CFO a couple of days ago and raised the issue with him, he is aware of the problem and I offered to go out with the NE Guardian to assess the scale of the problem and to identify where possible the illegal pots/nets and to try and determine how to remove them. His response was that there maybe problems of draft in terms of getting the NE guardian close enough to assess the situation. I pointed out to him that if this was the case them the gears where definitely set illegally and as a consequence should be removed ASAP.
What I need to do now is to try and determine the scale of the problem both on a spatial and temporal basis, as this has implications for both the NESFC and the EA (salmon and trout) if nets are set during the summer and not just out of season. To my mind the fact that they cannot get in to assess the problem because of draft and safety issues, is not a good reason to ignore the problem, especially when it has such a great impact on other users. I\'ll continue to persue this paricular line at the moment, until I get nowhere with it, then I\'ll have to take it up with a higher body.
The CFO did acknowlege that there is a significant problem with illegal netting in the northern part of the NESFC district and that it is an ongoing issue. He contends that much of the illegal netting is not set by legitimate commercial, but by hobby fishermen trying to supplement their income, irrespective of who is setting the gear it needs to be removed and the limits of the netting byelaw enforced. The NESFC are the managers and enforcers of the Fishery, not just the commercial sector. I will try and force this issue, but would not expect too much action this side of xmas, as with all fisheries related issues it takes too long to get the wheels of authority into motion.
Cheers for now
Doc
LeonRoskilly
Well-known member
Lots of information here:
http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/sacn/ill_net.htm
The next phase of the DEFRA consultation arising from the Bass Management Plan will include proposals for further restrictions on inshore netting.
Make sure that you respond and let them know your views
http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/sacn/ill_net.htm
The next phase of the DEFRA consultation arising from the Bass Management Plan will include proposals for further restrictions on inshore netting.
Make sure that you respond and let them know your views
