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lets wait and see how many pubs close through lack of custom come 2006 lol ,this goverments cutting there own throats
i dont mind the ban on the whole i agree with most of it but to make it a criminal offence is a step too far
i have a vision of britain in the future we will all be non smoking vegitarian tea totaling zombies following every rule laid down by idiots
Davyred
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They done it Ireland Bri, and apparently there was little, if any, loss of trade. People will never stop going out to pubs because they can\'t smoke.
IMO, being a non-smoker, I welcome it because, amongst other things, it makes your clothes stink when you\'ve been in a bar all night. If it gets on your clothes, its going to get into your lungs.
My Dad, mam and brother all smoke. When the kids are around, they go outside for a smoke. When you ask them why, they say its so the kids don\'t breath the smoke. So its alright for me to breath it then!! :casstet:
IMO, being a non-smoker, I welcome it because, amongst other things, it makes your clothes stink when you\'ve been in a bar all night. If it gets on your clothes, its going to get into your lungs.
My Dad, mam and brother all smoke. When the kids are around, they go outside for a smoke. When you ask them why, they say its so the kids don\'t breath the smoke. So its alright for me to breath it then!! :casstet:
SIXFOOTSTEVE
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Well here\'s my bit .... Mam died at 52 with heart failure ,a heavy smoker , Dad died at 64, lung cancer,heavy smoker .I\'ve never smoked but my brother still does ...after seeing our parents die because of it .........
I\'m a non smoker as long as people show respect to non smokers then it does\'nt bother me.Davy\'s right about Ireland there was hell on when it was announced they were introducing non smoking but i dont think it effected businesses that much.
Alcohol is a big killer as well...........................
Alcohol is a big killer as well...........................
SIXFOOTSTEVE
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Can\'t argue with that Alan ,was going to say not as much but I\'ve given it some thought and ,best to leave it mate ...lol
mark
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hmmnnn, One of the arguements you herre from the anti\'s is often the secondary smoking/health hazrd thing\'
can\'t disagree with that in principle, and yeah, even as a smoker, I\'m not fond og smelling me clothes the morning after night in a pub, but the health thing... Ever wondered how many carcinogenic gases we inhale every day from exhaust fumes from road vehicles
If its purely a health thing that the government wants to crack down on they should go the whole hog and outlaw tobacco all together, but they don\'t have the balls for it, and the country couldn\'t afford the loss of revenue. A common whinge is the \'cost to the health service/nhs\' from trreating smoking relating ilnesses. Its a well recorded fact that, averaged out, for every £100 it costs the nhs, smokers have paid arounf £250 quid in revenue - so stick that in yer pipe and smoke it tony!
In terms of costs to the health service, nobody\'s taliking about how much obesity, type 2 diabetes, liver cirrhosis, cardio vascular disease, pulmonary hear disease etc is costing us, perhaps they should have law that all macdonalds be taxed to a similar degree and \'no fat bastards signs\' displayed preominently throughout the stores.
they don\'t want us to stop smoking they just want us to stay indoors and smoke wor heeds off!
One thing that doesn\'t quite make sense is the new law of \'failing to display adequate no smoking signs\' nice little earner for that for some local authority hitler to wander around pubs/restaurants.
surely if its a given that these place are to be smoke free you don\'t need signs to re-enforce it
it illegal to breed coypu\'s in this country but you don\'t see many signs
I don\'t necessarily dissagree with it, but I would of liked to see the option given to pub landlords/licencing magistrates so some pubs could be licenced for \'consumption of alcohol on the premises, music, dancing and smoking tabs\' while they are at it, any pub that is found to have served someone who\'s had too many already should have their licence revoked permanently, alcohol can be equally antisocial and damaging
when was the last time you had your head stoved in in a taxi queue because someone had smoked too may tabs?
the magistrates decide a percentage of pubs that can and those that can\'t, perhaps having smoking licences renewed every few years and at the same time reduce the number
imagine a pipe smoking ban 20 years ago in the uk, we\'d of never heard of martina navratilova at wimbledon
[Edited on 25/6/2005 by mark]
can\'t disagree with that in principle, and yeah, even as a smoker, I\'m not fond og smelling me clothes the morning after night in a pub, but the health thing... Ever wondered how many carcinogenic gases we inhale every day from exhaust fumes from road vehicles
If its purely a health thing that the government wants to crack down on they should go the whole hog and outlaw tobacco all together, but they don\'t have the balls for it, and the country couldn\'t afford the loss of revenue. A common whinge is the \'cost to the health service/nhs\' from trreating smoking relating ilnesses. Its a well recorded fact that, averaged out, for every £100 it costs the nhs, smokers have paid arounf £250 quid in revenue - so stick that in yer pipe and smoke it tony!
In terms of costs to the health service, nobody\'s taliking about how much obesity, type 2 diabetes, liver cirrhosis, cardio vascular disease, pulmonary hear disease etc is costing us, perhaps they should have law that all macdonalds be taxed to a similar degree and \'no fat bastards signs\' displayed preominently throughout the stores.
they don\'t want us to stop smoking they just want us to stay indoors and smoke wor heeds off!
One thing that doesn\'t quite make sense is the new law of \'failing to display adequate no smoking signs\' nice little earner for that for some local authority hitler to wander around pubs/restaurants.
surely if its a given that these place are to be smoke free you don\'t need signs to re-enforce it
it illegal to breed coypu\'s in this country but you don\'t see many signs
I don\'t necessarily dissagree with it, but I would of liked to see the option given to pub landlords/licencing magistrates so some pubs could be licenced for \'consumption of alcohol on the premises, music, dancing and smoking tabs\' while they are at it, any pub that is found to have served someone who\'s had too many already should have their licence revoked permanently, alcohol can be equally antisocial and damaging
when was the last time you had your head stoved in in a taxi queue because someone had smoked too may tabs?
the magistrates decide a percentage of pubs that can and those that can\'t, perhaps having smoking licences renewed every few years and at the same time reduce the number
imagine a pipe smoking ban 20 years ago in the uk, we\'d of never heard of martina navratilova at wimbledon
[Edited on 25/6/2005 by mark]
mark
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what I\'m saying is its yet more nannyism from tony\' cronies
its only a short hop from a nanny state to a dictatorship
it seems that HM government don\'t believe we are capable of making informed descisions on our own
some smoking places some no smoking places, we then choose, whats wrong with that, everyone can be happy
otherwise outlaw tobacco sales altogether but they still want our money, in fact I\'d bet there\'ll be another big rise in duty come the budget
I\'d also bet a ban on alcohol in any public place ie not in your home and not on licenced premises is not far around the corner
its only a short hop from a nanny state to a dictatorship
it seems that HM government don\'t believe we are capable of making informed descisions on our own
some smoking places some no smoking places, we then choose, whats wrong with that, everyone can be happy
otherwise outlaw tobacco sales altogether but they still want our money, in fact I\'d bet there\'ll be another big rise in duty come the budget
I\'d also bet a ban on alcohol in any public place ie not in your home and not on licenced premises is not far around the corner
IanW
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That was me and my brother every summer holiday....always left at around midnight (father worked nights for years) heading for the west coast of scotland. God help you if you opened the window in the car for a bit of fresh air....something about the air bouncing of the back window and getting him in the back of the neck...and that was with both parents who smoked.
Never did me any harm
Anyway as for smoking in public places.....I think, as an ex-smoker (and no I don\'t bitch at people who do), it should be voluntary if the establishments wish to ban smoking....then if you come across one you don\'t have to enter it if you don\'t want to....it\'s not as if your being forced to enter it!!!
Les
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bri....
red meat might give you cancer, but your consumption of the stuff won\'t affect me or my childrens health.
why should i be assailed by your effluant everytime i want to go for a drink??
at times i go for a drink knowing full well when i get home clothes put on clean that night can\'t be worn again until they have been washed.
this is why i don\'t go to pubs on busy nights, i find smoking offensive
smokers would soon kick up a fuss if i sat next to them and started doing big stinking farts yet they think i should have to leave the premises because of their stinking habit.
i have a huge no smoking sign on the door of my shop, people who have a lit fag take a look at this sign and do 1 of 3 things
1.....nick their fag and come in
2....ignore it and walk in trying to hide a lit fag behind their back
3.....take about 6 big drags on the fag then walk in and blow their minging poison in my face.
option 1 gets a thank you from me,
option 2 gets a please put out your fag, no smoking on the premises,
option 3 get you a fine in the way of something added to your bill.....lol
ok ok lol getting a bit off track here ,i have no problem with the ban as such ,ie cafes etc ,but bars clubs etc ,the word public means well public ,or it used to now it means public bar those who smoke
just look at the top of this page when you reply at the google ads ! lung cancer information ,second hand smoke test ?? big brother looking in
binge drinking ban smoking ban and everything else this country decides is bad for us ,your no longer entitled to free speech ,what ever happened to choice ?like Ian says nobody forces you to go into a bar where people smoke ,but smokers are being forced out,to me its just gonna be one ban after another until your left with no rights at all
les as the shop owner youve got the choice to say no smoking ,shouldnt the pubs and clubs be given that same choice ?
[Edited on 26/6/2005 by bribones]
just look at the top of this page when you reply at the google ads ! lung cancer information ,second hand smoke test ?? big brother looking in
binge drinking ban smoking ban and everything else this country decides is bad for us ,your no longer entitled to free speech ,what ever happened to choice ?like Ian says nobody forces you to go into a bar where people smoke ,but smokers are being forced out,to me its just gonna be one ban after another until your left with no rights at all
les as the shop owner youve got the choice to say no smoking ,shouldnt the pubs and clubs be given that same choice ?
[Edited on 26/6/2005 by bribones]
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TC
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As has been said.....if the Govt. wants to ban smoking, then it should have the balls to make it illegal......ban tobacco being imported.....ban tobacco being sold......ban tobacco being bought......ban tobacco being smoked.
Problem with that is......they would lose a MASSIVE amount of revenue. Who then would pay to keep the NHS going - as it\'s the smokers, through obscene taxes on tobacco, who currently fund the NHS. Non-smokers who need hospital care should remember that it\'s through smokers paying these huge taxes that they CAN recieve free hospital treatment.
What really p***es me off is the attitude of the majority of non-smokers towards smokers.....the assumption is that if you smoke, you do it without ANY consideration for others. I think you\'d find that most smokers will recognise when and when not it is appropriate to light up.
As for the banning of drinkingr alcohol in public open places, that\'s already happened.....ST Council have erected loads of signs on lampposts, etc saying that it is illegal to consume alcohol in that vicinity.
Equating smoking to alcohol.........how many people are killed or injured every year through \"passive drinking\"?
It\'s no surprise that alcohol is a major contributory factor in road accidents.
You may well be a tea totaller, but that doesn\'t mean you won\'t be knocked down by a drunk driver........so why not ban alcohol aswell?
EDIT:
Just been looking at some Dept of Evironment & Transport figures.....
In 1999, 17.6 thousand road accidents resulting in death or injury were directly related to alcohol.
Whilst this still reflects a lot of drink related deaths or injuries on the road, it is a huge reduction from the figures of a decade earlier....
In 1986, alochol was found to be the cause of 27.2 thousand road deaths or injuries.
Now that\'s just \"on the road\"......... !!!!!
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[Edited on 26/6/2005 by TC]
Problem with that is......they would lose a MASSIVE amount of revenue. Who then would pay to keep the NHS going - as it\'s the smokers, through obscene taxes on tobacco, who currently fund the NHS. Non-smokers who need hospital care should remember that it\'s through smokers paying these huge taxes that they CAN recieve free hospital treatment.
What really p***es me off is the attitude of the majority of non-smokers towards smokers.....the assumption is that if you smoke, you do it without ANY consideration for others. I think you\'d find that most smokers will recognise when and when not it is appropriate to light up.
As for the banning of drinkingr alcohol in public open places, that\'s already happened.....ST Council have erected loads of signs on lampposts, etc saying that it is illegal to consume alcohol in that vicinity.
Equating smoking to alcohol.........how many people are killed or injured every year through \"passive drinking\"?
It\'s no surprise that alcohol is a major contributory factor in road accidents.
You may well be a tea totaller, but that doesn\'t mean you won\'t be knocked down by a drunk driver........so why not ban alcohol aswell?
EDIT:
Just been looking at some Dept of Evironment & Transport figures.....
In 1999, 17.6 thousand road accidents resulting in death or injury were directly related to alcohol.
Whilst this still reflects a lot of drink related deaths or injuries on the road, it is a huge reduction from the figures of a decade earlier....
In 1986, alochol was found to be the cause of 27.2 thousand road deaths or injuries.
Now that\'s just \"on the road\"......... !!!!!
[Edited on 26/6/2005 by TC]
[Edited on 26/6/2005 by TC]
Charlie_Thompson
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The tobacco companies are often cited in this debate and rightly so in many respects. What many people do not realise is they are also directly responsible for turning a naturally growing product that has been used for millenia by humans, into an addictive and expensive drug with little / no positive effects on the user and many terrible implications for health when combined with the shit diet and crappy air these same conglomerates expect us to put up with . Back in the old days, like pre Wham and that, we used to use tobacco for a number of reasons. The tobacco people smoked, grown locally, was incredibly powerful and often used with other psychoactive herbs for religious / social / physical reasons. The peace pipe of the American Indians apparently would knock you of your feet due to it\'s huge nicotine hit and a few other bits to boot. South American shamen use indigenous tobacco\'s to achieve useful altered states of consciousness. From the earliest days of tobacco importation the companies involved worked out ways to flog more of their gear. It\'s no good someone passing out after one of your numbers if your prime motivation is to sell product. You need a device to deliver your hit on a regular basis. And that dear friends is exactlty what they did. Modern strains of tobacco deliver a precisely calculated dose of nicotine designed to get you to smoke 20 of them a day without giving you any type of good vibe, the only reason we really smoke is because we don\'t like the feeling of not smoking, a true and pernicious addiction. On top of this the Christian element amongst our illustrious past disagreed with the notion of us mortals being allowed to alter our minds by using effective drugs (they didn\'t ban alcohol as it\'s not commonly known for expanding peoples minds) and as a result most of the interesting characteristics of the wild tobacco plant have been completely bred out, the tobacco plant is one the most experimented on plants on the earth currently available from the newsagent . In short vested interests have turned a valuable natural resource into Benson and fucking Hedges.
If you want to stop other people governing your lives then start fighting for a system that allows us to govern our own. Err Anarchy of course before you ask.
no way I\'m editing this bastard
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If you want to stop other people governing your lives then start fighting for a system that allows us to govern our own. Err Anarchy of course before you ask.
no way I\'m editing this bastard
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I mised an \"s\" off sytstem so did another edit
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TC
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\"no way I\'m editing this b**t**d
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Almost made it, Ell
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Almost made it, Ell
