Postal Strikes

The Great Wallsendo

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I could end up opening a veritable can of worms here (especially considering one of our newer members is a postie LOL:rolleyes:)...

But how do people feel about the strike action?

Personally I feel it's wholly unfounded - pushed through by archaic Union leaders who want to show the world one last time that the Unions have some muscle
 
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a few years ago i would have backed them as i was in a job with a big union (B.R.) but since 1992 i have been self employed or working for the private sector. now i have no time for unions, strikes etc anymore they are outdated and if you look back at the miners strikes a complete waste of time and money and even more important the break up of many a marriage and fallings out with family.
i went on strike when i worked on the railway but apart from getting a day or two off and losing some money it got us F... ALL.
i work in a business where we get paid by cheques most of the time, if there are no qheques comming in how does our business stand??????, IT DOES NOT!!!! and there must be hundreds of thousands like us some of who may suffer because of these strikes.
the private sector gets not much help, we cant strike, go on the sik at the drop of a hat.
go back to work, thats my view.
just one more thing..........why is it when there is a strike of any kind the militant union rep is allways the gobby sh*te from up north. unions for striking are a thing of the past and will soon be like a dodo..

cheers
mark
 
The average salary for a Postal Worker is nearly £20k!!! wich is actually the national average so who's missing out?

It's considerably more than my current salary...it was the same when Metro staff went on strike, who again only average over £20k a year...poor bairns eh?

Some companies I have worked with - in the private sector - don't even give incremental salary increases based on national inflation.

As Mark says strikes are and should be a thing of the past...Crozier got it right when he said the Union reps are "Dinosaurs"
 
Our company are closing our Final Salary pension scheme, I'm gonna have to pay £100 more per month in the new proposed scheme for a pension that is gonna be half of what it would of been. I'll be voting for industrial action!
 
I can understand peoples motives behind action...but call me cynical when I don't think it neccesarily gets the required response from Employers.

If I was an employer and my workforce upped and walked I'd be as equally bloody minded and refuse to meet the demands...I think in this circumstance any discontent has been fuelled by the Union Reps..who, as Mark says, are more often as not the gobsh*te back room barristers
 
Will your bosses pensions be getting changed too Keith, probably not eh. Pretty much the same as the postal workers????

If it was a change from top to bottom I wouldn't mind so much but why should the workers suffer and the bosses not.

A lady was put in charge of the postal service a few years ago to completely revamp it. It was totally screwed up by her and she was sacked, oops sorry paid off with hundreds of thousands of pounds. The postal service is still paying for those mistakes. Why should the shop floor pay and not the management??

That is the reason that your post comes later now, a lot of posties were paid off as they had far too many according to her. By the time they started listening to the people that knew it was too late and they had to start hiring new people that had to be trained.

There was a short thing on the news about it last night and they were talking about Emails from management that were telling workers not to do the things that they had been encouraged to do a while back by the same management.

I think the words I am looking for are double standards. If it was cuts right across the board then no problem.

There must be concessions from both sides for this to ever work. Just my opinion for what it's worth.

Jim.
 
Not sure about managers Jim (got a good idea though :rolleyes:) but out of 9000 UK employees some 3000 are exempt from the changes, these are mainly ex public sector companies e.g. part of BBC, where takeovers are seen to be very profitable. When we were taken over some ten years ago a written agreement stating the new pension scheme would be no worse than the old company scheme was signed. The company lawyers have stated this was a statement of "intent" and is not legally binding :rolleyes:.
 
The wildcat action was because the lads and lasses turned up for work as usual at 5:15 and were told you now start at 6:00 and won't get payed until then. No consulation just total **** taking. Totally justified in walking out.

I can understand peoples motives behind action...but call me cynical when I don't think it neccesarily gets the required response from Employers.

So what else are you to do when bosses force intolerable conditions on you?
 
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So what else are you to do when bosses force intolerable conditions on you?

If I was an employer and my workforce upped and walked I'd be as equally bloody minded and refuse to meet the demands

....and probably take the p*ss a bit too...not agreeing with it from either party but just giving an employers perspective
 
oh damn it ,i thought that was the postman delivering,them pizza and takeaway leaflets again ,or could they be the new post work force for the future ,cheap ,carry as much as they can and walk miles ,and never complain
 
We had the same postman for years, nothing was too much trouble and if a letter had the wrong address on it, it would still manage to make it's way through the correct door. Royal mail in their wisdom decided to stop the same person having the same round all of the time and keep changing them regularly to this day.

It all helps to make the mail that little bit later, and the letter with your name on it but numbered for 6 instead of 8 will go through 8 no matter what it says on the front, oh and the postman will still always get the blame as he is the only line of fire.

That said, there are dinosaurs that work on the delivery side that want the earth and want to give nothing back in return. My biggest bug though is what Keith was talking about, being promised something and then told no. In todays climate, if we continually deliberately mislead our children this way would we not have the said children taken off us and be accused of being bad or even evil parents.

....and probably take the p*ss a bit too...not agreeing with it from either party but just giving an employers perspective Yesterday 11:09 PM

Did you have a lobotomy before you gave that perspective Tony, it would help as far as their management goes mate ;) :D :D :D

codseeker, the day might well come when the postman does deliver your pizza and takeaway leaflets mate, I can't see it making much difference, the amount of junk mail that they are paid to drop through our door each day already.

Jim.
 
....and probably take the p*ss a bit too...not agreeing with it from either party but just giving an employers perspective Yesterday 11:09 PM

Did you have a lobotomy before you gave that perspective Tony, it would help as far as their management goes mate

HEHE :D aye - sounds a bit daft doesn't it:question:...I guess I was trying to say that the perspective could be along the lines of "if you lot want to play funny b*ggers then so can we"....although they'd never admit to playing such games:rolleyes:
 
Had the same postie at my old address every day. Mind you she was so fit and smart she could have delivered at 4pm and there'd have been no complaints off me. :)
 
I'm pleased they got rid of my postman he came for years,he was useless,used to ram/bend everything through the letter box,our new one is spot on,nothing is a problem.

I've got mixed feelings towards trade unions.
I agree with Mark as far as the Miners strike goes.
I worked with a women who's husband had'nt spoke to his brother since the last miners strike,her husband went back to work early as a "Scab",they pass each other in the street as though they dont exist,he occasionally gets a "fu##### scab" comment,very sad and they were very close brothers it tore the family apart.
As a rule most strikes get you no where at all and ultimately you end up on the dole.Coal industry,Steel,ship yards,Magnet Kitchens etc etc ......

However i'm in a union for what its worth and as a employee you should have some sort of legal representation at work.Our union reps always stress that they would push the company as far as possible but under no circumstances would they damage the company,they work there the same as me........some of the miners Reps went on to better things :question:

"Biting the hand that feeds you",springs to mind with the postal workers,customers that are desperate will source out other services however i respect there reasons to protest,some countries dont even have freedom of speech let alone UK employees
 
EVERY time a group of workers take strike action to defend their working conditions, pay, pensions and jobs they are subjected to a barrage of abuse from the “New” Labour government, Tory opposition, managers, “business-friendly” media and, on occasions, some of the public who are inconvenienced by the action.When you vote in a secret ballot to withhold your labour, you know that is almost certainly going to mean suffering a severe financial hardship both for yourself and your family. It is a last resort and workers certainly do not do it lightly.Those who condemn strikers as reckless fail to suggest any meaningful alternative.

Then there are a sinister bunch of characters who seek to ban strikes altogether because they damage the economy or the business community.

Of course people get fed up when they are inconvenienced, but the reality is; if you are forced to lose money by striking you want someone to notice that you are actually on strike.The current postal strikes are about more than the interests of postal workers (however justified their position is). They are also about the defence of the entire postal service.

Royal Mail’s cost-cutting business plan will mean more cuts in our postal services, more hikes in stamp prices, fewer collections and deliveries and even more post office closures.

Royal Mail has been starved of investment for decades and now faces utterly unfair competition from private operates who, for a discounted price, collect and sort profitable bulk business mail before passing it on to the Royal Mail to deliver over what is known in the industry as the “final mile”.

The result is Royal Mail has lost millions in revenue while the profits of private competitors have soared.

Now they expect postal workers to pay for this “private contractor promotion” by attacking working conditions, pay and pension rights... together with the potential axing of an estimated 40,000 postal workers’ jobs.While postal workers are asked to accept all this, including lugging about sackloads of private competitors’ mail, postal bosses like Adam Crozier will continue to accumulate sackloads of excessive salary.

Workers are told by the “New” Labour government that they need to make better occupational pension provision for themselves – we are constantly told the state pension cannot provide – but when postal workers take action to defend their occupational pension rights they are attacked... by the very same “New” Labour government.This is happening at the same time as the Post Office is trying to “spin a yarn” and persuade us that the branch closure of the main post office in Carlisle is actually a “branch change” according to the leaflets on the counter!

The same leaflet adds: “Pos****ch recognised that the decision to transfer to a franchise partner is a commercial decision to be taken solely by Post Office Ltd and is, therefore, not subject to public debate or consent.”

So here we are in Britain in 2007 – and the Post Office now thinks it can tell us what we can debate!.
 
Nosole,
I think your description of these private companies offering a service is called the breaking up of a monopoly. A vaste majority of my business mail is delivered with a TNT label on it but my regular postie actually sticks it through the letter box.

The same thing has happened to the gas, electric, railways etc. In my opinion the breaking up of a national monopoly can only be good for the consumer...my bills have gone down in real terms since these changes have been made...and to be perfectly honest that is all I care about.

Am I annoyed about the strike...course I am ...I get cheques of customers and have not recieved any for two weeks...overdraft to the limit as a result and could go out of business as a result (unlikely but a possibility if the bank get funny about it)

Any employee of mine who complained about 3/4 hr change to their working day need not bother turning out next day. I look after staff who help me...and get rid of those who are a waste of time.

Guess you can tell I am not a union type ;) I was but realised its better to voice yor own opinion.

Cheers
Dave.

Ps..dont get me onto final salary pension schemes... " the single biggest unworkable scheme ever dreamed up by the pensions industry"
 
In 1984 I was sacked because I wouldn't drive a company vehicle which had no tax disc. I got straight on to my union who told me they couldn't help because the company had less than 20 employees and no steward. I cancelled my subscription and haven't had any assosiation with unions since.

I lived and worked in central europe for 10 years and found they get along fine without the need for unions, industrial action, strikes etc. Most workers over there have no need for unions because when the employers find a winning work force they look after them. Over here when everything goes well the employers look for more and more from a work force to increase their own bonuses and share dividends for the non productive fat cats.

Have a look in this weeks TV listings for a documentary about how our european partners live. In fact, try to remember the last time you watched a programme about pay and working conditions in Holland, Germany and Belgium etc. What about their benifit systems? Someone somewhere doesn't seem to want good old blighty learning about the obligations european employers have to their employees and the loyalty given in return from the work force. I found their management and workers have a mutual respect for each other that doesn't exist here.

There is a bitterness between workers and management in this country. Just yesterday I had to leave work early because the bulb blew in a halogen lamp I was using and replacing it was too much of a hassle for management to sort (I'm not allowed to change a bulb, "health and safety thing"). Because of this I lost money but management is on a salary and doesn't lose anything. Where lies the answer?
 
well seems as theres still a bit of a backlog, posted a postal order off last week ,wednesday ,and the guy on ebay just received it today,hope the item i purchased doesnt take the same amount of time
 
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