hi ian done quite a few myself over the years mainly on my own rods as people do,nt want to pay for them,i do,nt think they know the work that goes into them had a few blew up if you know what i mean got them all locked off at 1 end then took the tapes of other end did,nt get it locked off and that was the end of hours and hours of work tried a bit marbeling aswell comes out unique regards stan