sapphire

[billyturbot]

well I have to be man enough to say I was wrong,I have been very misled by legal documents from MCA which turn only to be MARINE GUIDANCE NOTES and not law the way they read.
And also peter stubbs has been very mislead by the survey on his boat yes the boat is coded for 60 miles as I have always stated,the problem lay with peters ticket ,to which he was very mislead as well by the woman who done the survey and did not look at documents
this has now been cleared up and peter is allowed to fish up 20 miles out to sea
I don't think peter stubbs ever set out to mislead customers ,as stated he was giving wrong information from the woman that done his survey
and I cant see them admitting this any in any shape or form
PETER STUBBS I APOLOGIZE FOR THE TROUBLE I CAUSED BY THE DUFF INFO I WAS GIVING
the lesson I have learnt is dont believe everything you read that is suppose to be lagal
I have rang peter to apologize as well

 

[Blanked again]

Well said mate. Not many peolple would be man enough to post a full apology on here and a personal apology on the phone to Peter too.

Well done

 

[Chris-scott]

Respect to u Gary not many people admit when theyre wrong

 

[catch a cod]

Sapphire

Sapphire

Think peter will be happy this is over as i know he's had a mountain of trouble because of it.

 

[billyturbot]

Think peter will be happy this is over as i know he's had a mountain of trouble because of it.

yes of course he will be
but it makes you wonder how many others skippers who come in to the charter business and think they are doing things right paying for tickets survey work ect and end up with problems
because its a sure fact that your insurance company would not pay out on a claim because of a mistake, because of someone you have employed to do a survey
keith can you make this a sticky so every one can see sapphire legal please

 

[kayos]

The lesson is, I think, never publicly accuse anyone of anything, in this case of something as serious as fraud, in relation to a man's livelihood.

If you think you have proof of wrongdoing, report it to the relevant authorities and leave it up to them, the professionals, to deal with it.

Public forums can be great tools to learn, share advice and meet like minded individuals, as NESA certainly is.

However it can be dangerous when people get carried away and think they are doing some sort of public service. All to often they are not.

Good on you for apologizing, but is that just maybe cold comfort to the falsely accused?

 

[Kartonkel]

well I have to be man enough to say I was wrong,I have been very misled by legal documents from MCA which turn only to be MARINE GUIDANCE NOTES and not law the way they read.
And also peter stubbs has been very mislead by the survey on his boat yes the boat is coded for 60 miles as I have always stated,the problem lay with peters ticket ,to which he was very mislead as well by the woman who done the survey and did not look at documents
this has now been cleared up and peter is allowed to fish up 20 miles out to sea
I don't think peter stubbs ever set out to mislead customers ,as stated he was giving wrong information from the woman that done his survey
and I cant see them admitting this any in any shape or form
PETER STUBBS I APOLOGIZE FOR THE TROUBLE I CAUSED BY THE DUFF INFO I WAS GIVING
the lesson I have learnt is dont believe everything you read that is suppose to be lagal
I have rang peter to apologize as well

Well done you!

 

[billyturbot]

The lesson is, I think, never publicly accuse anyone of anything, in this case of something as serious as fraud, in relation to a man's livelihood.

If you think you have proof of wrongdoing, report it to the relevant authorities and leave it up to them, the professionals, to deal with it.

Public forums can be great tools to learn, share advice and meet like minded individuals, as NESA certainly is.

However it can be dangerous when people get carried away and think they are doing some sort of public service. All to often they are not.

Good on you for apologizing, but is that just maybe cold comfort to the falsely accused?

And reading this post do you not think peter should be taking this matter further with the people that give him the wrong information in the 1 st place as I think peter was as confused as any one and when you read a paper written by the government and is suppose to be law ,and you have the interest of safety in mind.I have said sorry on a open forum what more can I say mate
there were more than me spoke to MCA as peter knows and I had plenty of pm,s (and stay pm,s ) from people who would not say stuff in open
so just lets get back on track and get some fishing done and hope peter has a good season

 

[Kartonkel]

And reading this post do you not think peter should be taking this matter further with the people that give him the wrong information in the 1 st place as I think peter was as confused as any one and when you read a paper written by the government and is suppose to be law ,and you have the interest of safety in mind.I have said sorry on a open forum what more can I say mate
there were more than me spoke to MCA as peter knows and I had plenty of pm,s (and stay pm,s ) from people who would not say stuff in open
so just lets get back on track and get some fishing done and hope peter has a good season

Good week for Peter.

Excellent catch, day and reviews yesterday
Apology from billyturbot today

I think whatever damage has been done to Saphire in the past has now been evened out by the big publicity on NESA.

Time to move on and concentrate on catch reports and fish rather than papers

 

[Davey1970]

well done billyturbot.

 

[wheres the fish?]

Good afternoon,

We have had a lot of "traffic" regarding this operation.



The majority of it is unjustified.



The boat is a category 2 code vessel - with certification issued by MECAL. This certification is in date. I do not understand why there is such a concern about night operation.



A Category 2 can operate up to sixty miles from a safe haven day or night.



We have interviewed Mr.Stubbs and sighted his certification . We have assessed that he can operate only up 20 miles from a safe haven. A prohibition notice has been issued restricting the operation to 20 miles when Mr.Stubbs is the skipper. This does not preclude him from hiring someone with a more advanced certificate to operate the boat as skipper.



The issue with Mr.Stubb's licence is an unfortunate issue which was not raised during the survey process. Mr.Stubbs has been honest and upfront with all his dealings with the MCA.



Mr.Stubbs has advised us that he has received spurious telephone calls by callers stating they represent the MCA. We have advised him to report all such malicious calls to the police.



I hope this clarifies the issues raised.



Regards,



Alan Thomson



MCA Tyne

Compass House

Tyne Dock

South Shields

NE34 9PY

Ive been asked by peter to put this up, this is further clarificaiton on this matter. I too have apologised to him, and am not afraid to admit i was wrong. But there was allot of confusion around, and the different organisations i rang all said different things. Which would seem strange in anyones eyes. The only real reason anyone said anything was because they thought they were keeping lads safe, it was not in bad faith.

Im just glad that everything is squared up,

And just as gary, i am man enough to say i was wrong.

 

[billyturbot]

well said dean just to bring this matter to a end, from day one I did not hide my number from peter and he will tell you that also don't think dean would of either ,so the people responsible for saying that they were from the MCA should be ashamed of them selfs also the threats peter had from hidden numbers ,as dean has said he is man enough to admit his mislead belief, and the law on charter boats needs to be made a lot clearer not just for customers but for charter skippers as well
as dean says one organisation does not know what the other is doing in fact within certain organisations they dont know what is going on ,so what chance does joe public have
the regulations need to made a lot clearer and written in a form so every one can understand including the enforcement agencys

 

[Charlton]

wonder if there are other skippers in the same posistion and don't know it, as already said to many organisations and too much red tape, simplicity is the answer.

 

[billyturbot]

wonder if there are other skippers in the same posistion and don't know it, as already said to many organisations and too much red tape, simplicity is the answer.

Thats the thing Alan if any skipper in the same situation as peter was giving duff info,and heavens forbids there is a insurance claim,as we all know insurance company's will not pay out if a discrepancy,for instance a accident just out side the 20 mile mark ,and the skipper thinks he has a 20 mile beyond ticket as he thought, and being issued from a government organisation

 

[Paul_h]

If i may,
I have been watching this situation with disappointment, from posters and the mods that it was left to be public so long.

It should have been stopped then under private conversation until the facts were correct, once things are said in general it is hard to rebuke them.

I suppose that lad has lost a fair buisness from cancellations due to the said things.

It is hard enough in these days to try and get on, a lot of money will have been spent on that buisness getting set up.

i am glad is now clear to everyone and people can go forward, appologies have been made and i hope the lads who cancelled have the opportunity to re-think thier opinions.

best of luck Saphire, tight lines lads.
Paul

 

[elton]

Yes, it is a shame when some people decide to attack others, either on a business or personal level, and there have been a few instances here lately.

Couple of things to bear in mind, though;

1. YOU are responsible for everything you post here.
2. We push LOTS of business to local companies all year long through our free listings on NESA and by allowing open discussion about the businesses on these forums. People tend to forget that when one discussion upsets them.

This site has been running about 15-years now, I believe, and I don't think we do too badly, all things considered. Arguments are pretty noticeable when they come along, as they are not the norm.

 

[Paul_h]

I totally agree Elton, and it is a great site with loads of info and advice.

Regards
Paul