Also there is a good mark to the north up from the 1st car park next to the drivers platform this is also a canny mark to get to the north scar go back up threw the gate follow the field up to where it turns to the right you can get down just up from the corner or go up to the ravine you can get down there BUT watch it if it rains the rocks are worse than ice I used to take a rope you can tie it to the fence posts this will help also don't go alone if you go up in hot weather take plenty of water it can get melting hot