sunderland echo 27/12/07

[mickcave83]

i'll narrow this down a bit

past week has been very poor along our coastline, with very few fish coming from the popular marks.
there are 1 or 2 better codling from rock marks at whitburn and andy rutherford had cod at 10lbs and 6lbs from seaburn prom.
roker and seaham piers are fishing poor at the min with just the odd codling to 2lb, and there are not mant whiting about. there are some flounders showing in the wear and the odd coalie, but everywhere else seems a waste of time.
worm is the top bait at present with black runnidown and ludworm/razor having the edge.
club results

ryhope sweepstake had a turnout of 38anglers with most taking fish, the hotspot was whitburn where walter yardley won with one at 5lb, paul riley took 2nd for 3lb and lee dougles was 3rd for 2lb 8oz, all codling.

15 fished s/land saa xmas comp last sunday, rutherford won with 3coalies, 2codling and a dab for 6lb 10z, the heaviest fish was a 1lb 15oz codling by john robinson.

eastenders sweepstake of wednesday saw 14 rods out and 5 weighed in 20 fish, chris hossack chose roker pier for 1st and 3rd place for codling at 5lb and 2lb and brian turnbull was 2nd with a 4lb codling from the ratty.

seaham sac juniors fished there xmas comp on sat, harry richardson won with 2 fish for 1.75lb including the heaviest fish, a coalie of 1.31lb, followed by paul king and craig hogwood, 1,12lb and 0.72lb respectively

gary prest won the sasc xmas comp with 1lb 13oz

seaham sac seniors had a turnout on sunday of 79members, with only 11 weighing in 12 fish for 7.64lbs, tony laws had the pick of the prize table with 2fish for 1.76lb

eastenders held an open on sunday, 14 out of 25 anglers weighed in 25 fish. jim dobie took the bouble with codling 0f 2.10lb and 1.5lb from the tyne.

 

[eddie t]

Thanks for that mick never got the echo on thursday keep on doing this and i wont have to buy the echo lol.

 

[Charlton]

and NESA will be charged with plagerism for using their artcile without their permission

 

[basswrasse2]

Thanks mick and well done to the lads and lassass who took part

 

[Ivor Spraggon]

Cheers Mick. JM's column was a freebie on the internet but has not been updated lately .... keep checking here ... last update 8 Nov ???
Sea Angling latest - Sunderland Echo

 

[Ivor Spraggon]

... Ryhope sweepstake had a turnout of 38 anglers with most taking fish, the hotspot was whitburn where walter yardley won with one at 5lb ...

Nice one Walter ...

 

[Charlie_Thompson]

and NESA will be charged with plagerism for using their artcile without their permission

Straights

Surely not Alan, Mick didn't even quote word for word.

Links to articles don't seem to pose a problem.

I'd guess if it was posted word for word with or without credit it may be against some law but if it's already in the public domain then I'd doubt very much if they'd get their knickers in a bunch.

I could be rang of course.

 

[The Great Wallsendo]

Straights

Surely not Alan, Mick didn't even quote word for word.

Links to articles don't seem to pose a problem.

I'd guess if it was posted word for word with or without credit it may be against some law but if it's already in the public domain then I'd doubt very much if they'd get their knickers in a bunch.

I could be rang of course.

you're not

 

[Charlton]

it was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek lads, although i am not sure how it would be looked at, as using anybodies work, you quite often get palgerism cases in the lirerary world, or when someone copies scientific studies and claim them as their own. I am sure saying that the Echo was given credit it would be okay and I am sure Jack wouldnt mind in the slightest. Might have been better to ask first, or just put a link to their site. Even the photos, and the articles I write and post on here are copyright (mine) but I dont mind anybody using them as long as they ask, as they are there for all to see.
One thing that puzzles me is, newpapers are trying to sell more papers, yet they put their newspapers on line, minus photos most of the time, where everybody can see them, to me it seems as if they are doing themselves out of business.

 

[Charlie_Thompson]

They must have payed a lot of people with pointy heads to work all that bizness out Alan - I'm sure they come out on top otherwise the Writ would hit the fan (If no-one else has said that I just did - copyright NESA, I want halfies)

None of the angling mags as far as I know have any real on-line presence in terms of extended articles etc. which I find is a bit weird. I guess their pointy heads say no

 

[Charlton]

you are quite welcome to halfies charlie, but as long as you pay half the expenses, as i charge nothing (unlike some I know) for photos, articles that appear on web sites you should owe me quite a bit as the work dates back to when NESA started, will send you an invoice.
remember when John Bridges was first building NESA, he approached a certain Sea Angling magazine if he could use some of their photos (very politely) he got a very forthright letter back threatening him with legal action if he used anything from their magazine, all they had to do was politely say sorry you cant.

 

[mickcave83]

didnt really think there would be any problom putting bits from the article up in my own words, just incase the lads dont get the echo

 

[codseeker]

dinnit worry about it mate ,not as if ya copy and pasted it from somewhere else ,ya have typed it your self and took the time to do it

 

[willywetegg]

I don't really think there is a problem with your post Mick, if we did it would have been removed and you would have been informed why mate. That said, always be careful when posting links or info from elsewhere as some people do not like anything written by them being produced without their permission and rightly so.

We often get a lot of grief for removing items on NESA but we don't remove them for no reason. Not only can we be in trouble, but now most of the problems come back onto the people that made the said post in the first place. If someone takes offence then we would be obliged to hand over all information we have on the person if it was to go further.

Always be careful in copying information without permission, if in doubt then don't.

Jim.

 

[mickcave83]

I don't really think there is a problem with your post Mick, if we did it would have been removed and you would have been informed why mate. That said, always be careful when posting links or info from elsewhere as some people do not like anything written by them being produced without their permission and rightly so.

We often get a lot of grief for removing items on NESA but we don't remove them for no reason. Not only can we be in trouble, but now most of the problems come back onto the people that made the said post in the first place. If someone takes offence then we would be obliged to hand over all information we have on the person if it was to go further.

Always be careful in copying information without permission, if in doubt then don't.

Jim.

true jim, i dont want to be getting the site in trouble along with myself, just didnt think there would be a prob thats all, just a wee bit bored at the time.

 

[Charlie_Thompson]

jeez Jim - is nowhere safe

Surely the site can be registered in a robots name that lives in jersey then we can all talk lawfully and legally about such seditious things as fishing, football, politics and telly.

We will soon have to resort to meeting personally next to old enamel bathtubs with the taps turned full on to say anything to anyone about anything without getting nicked. And then we'd all have to kill each other anyway. :yltype:

In day to day life I mean, It's ok here like usually

 

[willywetegg]

Don't worry about it Mick, as I said, it was fine mate. It was an honest post, made to give info and not trying to steal something from someone, that is where the problem often occurs. Some people try to post things and take credit for them, or not give credit to the original author for them either. That is not right, what you did was fine as far as I can see

Jim.

 

[codseeker]

well i dont buy the echo ,so it was fine for me ,a free read and no harm done,never see any reports on sunderland echo site of angling anyway

 

[willywetegg]

Lol Ian, you are not far away there mate. Once upon a time it would be the website that took most of the flack now it will usually be the poster. In law as you will no doubt know, even ignorance of the law will not protect you. It is rare that something happens but it also depends on what is written too I would guess.

That said, I think it is only correct to ask someone before taking something from their website and posting it elsewhere, even just to be polite.

"remember when John Bridges was first building NESA, he approached a certain Sea Angling magazine if he could use some of their photos (very politely) he got a very forthright letter back threatening him with legal action if he used anything from their magazine, all they had to do was politely say sorry you cant".

As Alan said here, all they had to say was sorry you can't. Luckily someone asked first. Personally if it had been me there would still be no mention of that "certain sea angling magazine" made on this forum to this day as I think that was way over the top. I bet they would take every mention they could get now lol.

Jim.

 

[The Great Wallsendo]

Ell's right though - if you look at the websites that represent the angling publications they are pretty flimsy...although (assuming I have the right certain publication) they have started up one of their own which isn't too bad