total smoking ban

F**K it - - in fact Double F**k it - i have been waiting for \" Mount St ELL ns\" to blow (no pun intended Ell) its crater - but guess who is up sharp for work on Thurs - just hope this is a small fissure and friday is the main event - \"a total Smirnoff pyrotechnic outburst\" :P :P :P
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What have I siad like :o
 
I think the current proposals are too severe in some cases and too relaxed in other cases.

I would have liked an option to permit smoking in private members clubs i.e. between consenting adults in an enclosed space, although the health and safety aspects of those employed in such establishment would have been difficult to protect.

But the trade off for smoking allowed zones would be a total ban in high density public areas, enclosed or open air, such as shopping areas etc. What will happen now is the smokers will congregate outside the doors of pubs and clubs as they do now outside supermarkets and no smoking shopping precincts.
 
Got smarty drunk mouth on, need sleep, plus I bump into someog=f you lot from time to time, that\'s why I said nowt about all that smoking stuff and how all the gloaters were nazis and that.
 
I think the current proposals are too severe in some cases and too relaxed in other cases.

I would have liked an option to permit smoking in private members clubs i.e. between consenting adults in an enclosed space, although the health and safety aspects of those employed in such establishment would have been difficult to protect.

But the trade off for smoking allowed zones would be a total ban in high density public areas, enclosed or open air, such as shopping areas etc. What will happen now is the smokers will congregate outside the doors of pubs and clubs as they do now outside supermarkets and no smoking shopping precincts.
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Chris are you some kind of AI thing

I only ask because I like you and care about people sounding like robots (As opposed to Roberts :o )


That AI means \"Artificial Intelligence\" not Al as in the short version of Alan. Asking someone here if they are some kind of Allan is intrusive and verging on bullying.

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i dont think supermarkets etc are important when bars are involved.as i said earlier im pleased i quit but if i never i would be going off it and would probly end up gettin pissed in the house all the time instead of going out.
there will be a world within a world of smoking hermits gettin pissed on 4 star in the house coz there will be too many hours in the day.
i think.
 
think i will move to paris where everyone smokes lol,.
i was in a restaraunt there last year and the non smoking area was a tiny area in the corner.

clare you mentioned how it would be policed, i think the goverment will do the same as the DSS did years ago and offer to pay people to shop, grass the smokers up when they light up in pubs.

very funny steve lol


cheers
mark ;) :D :D :D
 
i dont think supermarkets etc are important when bars are involved.as i said earlier im pleased i quit but if i never i would be going off it and would probly end up gettin pissed in the house all the time instead of going out.
there will be a world within a world of smoking hermits gettin pissed on 4 star in the house coz there will be too many hours in the day.
i think.
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We are Legion we are Strong.
 
think i will move to paris where everyone smokes lol,.
i was in a restaraunt there last year and the non smoking area was a tiny area in the corner.

clare you mentioned how it would be policed, i think the goverment will do the same as the DSS did years ago and offer to pay people to shop, grass the smokers up when they light up in pubs.

very funny steve lol


cheers
mark ;) :D :D :D
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Contrary to what some have said, I don\'t think that the majority of smokers are selfish and \"light-up\" jusat because they can.
When I go to a restaraunt, I don\'t smoke. If there\'s a non-smoking area in a cafe, I\'ll sit there, rather than in the \"smoking\" area.
There are certainly some smokers who DO seem to have no regard whatsoever for others around them, however. Went to a resaraunt a couple of weeks ago (Silver Wedding anniversary). Table was booked for 7:00. As it was pretty early in the evening, there were a number of families in the restaraunt with young kids (one was having his meal, sitting in a high chair). Accross at the next table to them, 2 couples had finished their meals and were having some drinks......all 4 were smoking. Now THAT\'S the sort of thing I can\'t stand about (some) smokers - absolutely no regard for others, whether it be adults or kids.

I asked one of the staff it smoking was allowed in the restaraunt (it\'s only a small place) and he said \"oh yes\".......when I looked, ALL the tables had ashtrays on them.

It\'s a matter of \"manners\", I believe - and good \"manners\" should be adopted by both the smoker and the non-smoker.

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Another aspect of the smokers rhetoric for which I fail to see the point is the petrol and diesel fumes argument.

I doubt if there is a single person in the country who can truly say they live their lives totally independent of petrol and diesel. We all consume it in one way or another and indeed far to much of it for the planets good. Even if you don\'t drive a car, you are likely to jump on a bus or train now and again and even if you walk to the corner shop for your fags, they will probably have been delivered by a van that uses petrol or diesel!

And as for the loss of tax revenue argument. The next revenue earner for the treasury will be additional tiers of VAT so that things deemed to be health hazards like BigMacs, chocolate and sweets will be taxed at a higher rate than the current 17.5% VAT.
 
\".........rhetoric for which I fail to see the point .......\"

I\'m struggling to see the point in your areguement there, Chris.....

\"......Even if you don\'t drive a car, you are likely to jump on a bus or train now and again......\"

I agree, but you get an awful lot more people in a train or on a bus than you do in a car, which cuts down on the number of pollution \"generators\" eg cars. How many cars do you see on the road with only one occupant, the driver in ???

\".......even if you walk to the corner shop for your fags, they will probably have been delivered by a van that uses petrol or diesel!\"

so does the \"healthy stuff\" make its own, eco-friendly, way to the shop??

\"he next revenue earner for the treasury will be additional tiers of VAT so that things deemed to be health hazards like BigMacs, chocolate and sweets will be taxed at a higher rate than the current 17.5% VAT.2

so there we have it again.........as well as the smokers propping up the NHS, the fast food eaters will be doing the same (and will probably STILL be penalised by being refused the treatment they\'ve paid additional taxes for).


Ban jogging and all physical amatuer sports !
I\'ve seen more man hours / days work lost at our place through injuries, strains, pulled muscles, etc, than there ever are through smoking related causes.....and it\'s me (and other smokers) who substantially subsidise any NHS treatment they recieve.......lol.....talk about smokers being selfish and irresponsible !




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I have smoked for most of my life. I will probably smoke for most of the rest of my life.

I think the smoking ban has had to be applied, there has been far too much pressure from too many places.

As a lot of people on here know I work in a pub. Last night I told my bosses that when the ban comes into force I will be leaving. No bitterness or nastyness on my behalf just my choice.

I have read this thread from the beggining to the end tonight, had a few laughs and a few cringes about it.

I must aggree with Tony about smoking in restaurants, it is something that I have never done. I ALWAYS sit in the non smoking area, that is my choice.

I would only ask one question. How many of the people that have posted on here about stopping smoking in their local have actually asked the owner of the pub in which they drink to have it stopped. As the majority of people that use pubs are non smokers I thought this would be common sense.

Not very many I would have thought.

At the end of the day, if there were enough people asking I can\'t see any way they could refuse you.

We all have a choice on whether we go into a pub or not. If the smell of smoke is so bad and there are enough people complaining about it then surely the people that own that bar would do something about it.

Unless no one has complained.

I will not be complaining about the ban, I will simply be not spending a lot of time in pubs. I will have an occasional drink but that is all.

We all have a choice, those that have chosen to drink in a pub where people smoke should not complain as they were not forced to do so.

Now that it has been made law the smokers should not complain either.

You ALL have a choice, exercise it. If you are a non smoker good luck to you and enjoy your local. If you are a smoker don\'t go there any more.

The choice is yours.

Jim.
 
\"I\'m struggling to see the point in your argument there, Chris.....\"

The point I\'m making Tony is I\'ve heard it said so many times by the pro smokers, the argument - what about pollution from cars and lorrys etc. It has even been mentioned on this thread. But we are all guilty of contributing to a lesser or greater extent to the polluting effects of burning oil and its derivatives. It\'s a \"case of he without sin cast the first stone\" , I feel the argument is weak and has no value in supporting a smokers right to smoke in public.

My point with the VAT issue is I think the treasury will see a drop in revenue from the smoking ban. Provided the costs savings are greater that the revenue loss its not a problem, but if it isn\'t the additional revenue will be required to be raised elsewhere and I feel with the current healthy lifestyle agenda of all political parties, the luxury goods that are considered unhealthy will be targets for raising additional revenue for the state.

\"Ban jogging and all physical amateur sports !\"
And if you where to slip on some seaweed and break your leg whilst out fishing, would you ban fishing as well? I know of one factory many years ago who had a hidden agenda not to employ persons who played Sunday league football and rugby just because there was a chance of them not turning up for work on Monday. A counter argument may be what about the work time lost by the smokers when they go off for their nicotine/smoke fix.

I think with the result of the parliamentary vote, the argument for not banning smoking in public is lost, However, the acts of Parliament need to be drawn up and the laws formulated. So we have 18 months consultation and readings in both houses of Parliament. So if you are a smoker, now is your time to lobby your MPand the House of Lords to try and persuade them to pursue a middle way of lifting the ban where it is practical to do so such as a private members club.
 
I used to smoke, don\'t now so don\'t really give a shit.

My outlook on the situation...it\'s been introduced, have your winge about it, then learn to live with it. The decisions not going to be reversed, they never are as far as I know.

Take solice in the fact that you can give up....then turn to eating more pies and still be seen as wasting tax payers money by being a fat bastard and having heart attacks.....works for me :D
 

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