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big_sean
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Hi Dave
firstly i agree with your comments about going offshore in winter but i strongly disagree with that the only way to travell offshore is with a charter boat as during the last year or so how many charter boats have been towed in from breaking down and also running out of diesel ?
also if you looked on other forums and especially those that chat about the south coast you will see that lots of small boat owners frequently travell up to 60 miles offshore and they very rarely need any assistance
the worst things in the world for causing problems are not been kitted out properly and i have spent a fortune making sure i have the right kit for what i want to do
i started my boat handling days when i was 20 years of age and used to crew for a couple of charter boats
then i bought my own boat and frequently went 30 to 40 miles offshore and never once came across a problem
i had a few years away from boats then decided that i wanted my own again after a long saga of been sold down the river and things not been done right i have now just got things sorted as lots of places claim to be boat repairers and fit out centers but they are just cowboys
i am currently just having the final few jobs done to my boat and that includes having all the electrics and all safety gear fully sorted before i go out
i fully understand where you are coming from with the links you have posted but who in the right mind goes out in the weather that they went out in (NOT ME!!)
last year my boat was at bridlington and on the occasions that we did get out we never went further than 1 mile from the coastline but we were 16 miles from port but the other boats down there frequently go well offshore
if you look at the lifeboat reports about who they are rescuing you will see that its very rarely small angling boats usually speed boats that have run out of fuel yatchs and plain idiots
the whitby case that you have posted the link about why were they let out of the harbour in a northerly gale and who launched them ?????
i do take things about safety very sensibly
thanks for your valid comments and also note that you have not upset me at all
i love a great debate
Sean
boats
Hi Dave
firstly i agree with your comments about going offshore in winter but i strongly disagree with that the only way to travell offshore is with a charter boat as during the last year or so how many charter boats have been towed in from breaking down and also running out of diesel ?
also if you looked on other forums and especially those that chat about the south coast you will see that lots of small boat owners frequently travell up to 60 miles offshore and they very rarely need any assistance
the worst things in the world for causing problems are not been kitted out properly and i have spent a fortune making sure i have the right kit for what i want to do
i started my boat handling days when i was 20 years of age and used to crew for a couple of charter boats
then i bought my own boat and frequently went 30 to 40 miles offshore and never once came across a problem
i had a few years away from boats then decided that i wanted my own again after a long saga of been sold down the river and things not been done right i have now just got things sorted as lots of places claim to be boat repairers and fit out centers but they are just cowboys
i am currently just having the final few jobs done to my boat and that includes having all the electrics and all safety gear fully sorted before i go out
i fully understand where you are coming from with the links you have posted but who in the right mind goes out in the weather that they went out in (NOT ME!!)
last year my boat was at bridlington and on the occasions that we did get out we never went further than 1 mile from the coastline but we were 16 miles from port but the other boats down there frequently go well offshore
if you look at the lifeboat reports about who they are rescuing you will see that its very rarely small angling boats usually speed boats that have run out of fuel yatchs and plain idiots
the whitby case that you have posted the link about why were they let out of the harbour in a northerly gale and who launched them ?????
i do take things about safety very sensibly
thanks for your valid comments and also note that you have not upset me at all
i love a great debate
Sean
sean posted
sean posted
also if you looked on other forums and especially those that chat about the south coast you will see that lots of small boat owners frequently travell up to 60 miles offshore and they very rarely need any assistance
this aint the south coast i i bet they dont get swells like the north east does i totaly agree with what dave said and what you did in parts to but others reading this post may not pick up on toung in cheek ways of talking and think
well if he can go out so can i
beware whats said in a post as all people that read it aint the experianced angler/boat owner
respect gary
stay safe all
sean posted
also if you looked on other forums and especially those that chat about the south coast you will see that lots of small boat owners frequently travell up to 60 miles offshore and they very rarely need any assistance
this aint the south coast i i bet they dont get swells like the north east does i totaly agree with what dave said and what you did in parts to but others reading this post may not pick up on toung in cheek ways of talking and think
well if he can go out so can i
beware whats said in a post as all people that read it aint the experianced angler/boat owner
respect gary
stay safe all
davem2005
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Sorry for the tone of some of my posts and would agree that the thread has changed plot considerably.
I know that long distance trips are common down south, but also note that the practice of small boat owners clubs is far more common than up here and group outings are far more common. The seas are also far busier so help is likely to be much closer to hand.
With regard to charter boats breaking down I would suggest this is more a case of the law of averages says if you go out to sea every day you are far more likely to have some kind of problem than the guy who goes out a few times a month.
I have not spent a lot of time on charter boats however on the 5 occasions I have been out to "the wall" ( which equates to about 280 miles of steaming) the skipper has always teamed up with another boat rather than go it alone. A sensible precation taken by professionals who know they have 2 1/2 hours steaming each way.
With regard to the 22 footer that was swamped at Whitby, you ask why did no one stop him going out? My own experiences of that are port are as follows.
I have my new boat, first trip planned to Whitby. We arrive at the slipway, go in the harbour masters office and pay our slipway fee and parking ticket. Buy the bait and just as we are backing down the slipway a local tells us we have no chance of getting out of the harbour mouth. A quick drive down to the seafront confirms this to be the case.
Back to the harbour masters office for a refund...no chance..
Why did he not tell us it was too rough before we payed..."Not my job"...which to me roughly translates to "I've got your money and I dont give a ...."
Hardly the attitude of a person you would expect to call you on the radio if you were heading into danger.
Theres a nice link here for the Sheltie and one owners modification list to make it more suitable and safer.
Shetland Owners Association
I was under the impression all shetlands were twin skinned with a foam infill to make them unsinkable, seems that is not the case.
If this summer was anything to go by your chances of making a 40 mile trip are pretty slim.
Cheers
Dave
I know that long distance trips are common down south, but also note that the practice of small boat owners clubs is far more common than up here and group outings are far more common. The seas are also far busier so help is likely to be much closer to hand.
With regard to charter boats breaking down I would suggest this is more a case of the law of averages says if you go out to sea every day you are far more likely to have some kind of problem than the guy who goes out a few times a month.
I have not spent a lot of time on charter boats however on the 5 occasions I have been out to "the wall" ( which equates to about 280 miles of steaming) the skipper has always teamed up with another boat rather than go it alone. A sensible precation taken by professionals who know they have 2 1/2 hours steaming each way.
With regard to the 22 footer that was swamped at Whitby, you ask why did no one stop him going out? My own experiences of that are port are as follows.
I have my new boat, first trip planned to Whitby. We arrive at the slipway, go in the harbour masters office and pay our slipway fee and parking ticket. Buy the bait and just as we are backing down the slipway a local tells us we have no chance of getting out of the harbour mouth. A quick drive down to the seafront confirms this to be the case.
Back to the harbour masters office for a refund...no chance..
Why did he not tell us it was too rough before we payed..."Not my job"...which to me roughly translates to "I've got your money and I dont give a ...."
Hardly the attitude of a person you would expect to call you on the radio if you were heading into danger.
Theres a nice link here for the Sheltie and one owners modification list to make it more suitable and safer.
Shetland Owners Association
I was under the impression all shetlands were twin skinned with a foam infill to make them unsinkable, seems that is not the case.
If this summer was anything to go by your chances of making a 40 mile trip are pretty slim.
Cheers
Dave
big_sean
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shetland
shetland
Hi Gazza
just to let you know that any sea can be a dangerous place and the south coast can be one hell of a sea as big swells can come from out of the middle of the atlantic without warning all seas claim lives but with respect they are fun places to be
Hi Dave
yes i knew about the floor on shelties and all my floor was removed and re filled with foam last year (because it had got some water in boat dealer said it would be ok )i wouldnt go anywhere without a foam filled floor
as for the modifications to shelties the link you have posted talks about a huge ariel i wonder why anyone would want a huge ariel maybe with an 18' ariel you can chat to land at 65 miles offshore and further (it tells the story on the link to the site that i have posted)
Shetland Owners Association
any way i am off to bed now but thanks for the replies and great debate
Sean
shetland
Hi Gazza
just to let you know that any sea can be a dangerous place and the south coast can be one hell of a sea as big swells can come from out of the middle of the atlantic without warning all seas claim lives but with respect they are fun places to be
Hi Dave
yes i knew about the floor on shelties and all my floor was removed and re filled with foam last year (because it had got some water in boat dealer said it would be ok )i wouldnt go anywhere without a foam filled floor
as for the modifications to shelties the link you have posted talks about a huge ariel i wonder why anyone would want a huge ariel maybe with an 18' ariel you can chat to land at 65 miles offshore and further (it tells the story on the link to the site that i have posted)
Shetland Owners Association
any way i am off to bed now but thanks for the replies and great debate
Sean
