Warning Cambois Pier!

Nice one Pete,Patto I would\'nt worry about using the ladders on the pier in an emergency mate,the harbour master can see everything thats going on from the river side and will know you have took an escape route,not that you\'ll ever need to do that ;)
 
unlucky mate
if there is any sea on and its high tide i think the best places to fish along there is a mark called the bins , or at the bottom of the ramp, the bins is a superb shot , puts you into a big hole, ive never seen it wash out on the biggest tide, can be some great fish caught along there
 
I am a police officer and there is no offence for which you could be arrested for as a result of simply fishing on a pier. If you are a trespasser or not!!!

trespass is a civil matter and nothing to do with the police
 
Wasn\'t there the \'national security\' issue at Seaforth Docks on Merseyside a few years ago?

Out of interest, has the apparent clamp down on Sunderland Pier and Cambois Pier started since fishing these places was discussed at length on here?
 
I am a police officer and there is no offence for which you could be arrested for as a result of simply fishing on a pier. If you are a trespasser or not!!!

trespass is a civil matter and nothing to do with the police
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thanks for that mate,can you make further comments on this alledged offence or is that all you are saying ;)
 
At the end of the day it all depends what you are charged with I think.

The Liverpool lads were not charged with tresspass it was a much more serious charge.

The thing that baffles me is, if they are not allowed to arrest you for tresspass, then how the hell are they allowed to confiscate your gear. Surely this is against everything that is right.

That is if this is true and I am not having a pop at you Keith as you copied this from another site.

I would love the person that first posted this to set the record straight if what insanojackson2 says is true.

Jim.
 
Just to bring So. Shields pier into this aswell (as there were reports of lads fishing on the pier having to give their names / addresses to police a couple of months ago).........

Last time I was on Shields pier, I paid particular attention to ALL of the notices attached to the gate - looking to see if there was anything mentioned about \"tresspass\" or going beyond the gate when it was locked or even just something saying \"at your own risk\".........there is NOTHING AT ALL mentioning any wrong-doing in going beyond the gate when it\'s locked. No mention of any action to be taken against those who DO go beyond the gate when it\'s locked and certainly NO mention of it being any kind of \"offence\".
 
I remember that well Tony.

I think too many people are seeing too much and not hearing enough mate.

Chippy it has nothing to do with what has been posted on here as far as south of the Tyne goes mate. This has been building up there for a LOT of years mate. As far as North of the Tyne goes I doubt it as a lot of the stuff that has been talked about is tackle shop talk with nothing to back it up at all.

Got to say though I would like to hear a bit more on the subject. Especially on the law side of it.

Jim.
 
the first duty of the police is to preserve life, if the gates to piers and jettys etc are locked there is generally a reason for it. ie it is in a dangerous condition or the prevailing weather makes the place dangerous. if you persist in climbing these gates or barriers you then in turn may put the lives of others at risk, probably the police or coastguard when you come to grief. i can certainly remember fishing the back of the tanks at hendon and seeing morons lighting fires 20yds from huge tanks containing highly combustable chemicals, its no wonder we get kicked off places like that.
its only a few years back i can remember one or two lads getting swept off shields pier at least one died, the port of tyne are responsible for the pier i believe so its no wonder people get their names taken and get themselves escorted off the pier. i personally have never spoken to anyone who has been arrested or had their gear siezed this may be just the vicious rumour squad. but i stand to be corrected! if these people where arrested and by that i mean in the back of the police car taken to the police station interviewed etc i would be interested to know if any where prosecuted and if so what they where charged with!
 
Fully agree with most of what you say, flathead.....however, even though the notice on the gate states that it is a \"storm gate\" and that it will be locked during periods of bad weather, it is locked EVERY night - regardless of weather or sea conditions.
I\'ve seen families out for an evening stroll on a hot, sunny, windless evening and a totally flat sea being told to leave the pier as the gate was going to be locked........absolutely ridiculous......as \"Mr Royal\" would say - \"storm gate? my arse\"

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Actually, trespass is now a criminal offence and not a civil offence, has been for some time. It came in with the criminal justice act a few years back, the law that was largely created to stop people having parties/raves, persecute new age travellers and bust the hunt sabs.

The arrest powers for trespass were discretionary, but as of the the recent \'respect\' and amendments to the Regulatin of Investigatory Powers act, they\'re not any more, and do include the powers to confiscate any materials that are being used or may be used in a crime, so if If trespass is a crime, anything you are carrying constitutes materials used so can be taken - that includes fishing tackle, mobile phones, in fact anything you have on your person. Yet to see a case be tried on this basis, but I\'m sure it\'ll happen - re: the liverpool 2, if the new acts had been in force when they were lifted, betcha they wouldn\'t have seen there tackle again
 
Yeah agree with you TC been on the pier when its happened. I think the situation at shields pier may be more down to money the pig-headed jobs worths. i recall years ago the pier watchman coming along about 10pm in the summer saying if you wanna get off without climbing round im shutting now! however i suspect they now only man it 9 to 5 thats why he now shuts it around 4pm. Mark is spot on also with his legal comments \" all articles used in the commision of an offence may be subject to seizure \". Still dont know of anyone its happened to though!
 
the first duty of the police is to preserve life, if the gates to piers and jettys etc are locked there is generally a reason for it. ie it is in a dangerous condition or the prevailing weather makes the place dangerous. if you persist in climbing these gates or barriers you then in turn may put the lives of others at risk, probably the police or coastguard when you come to grief. i can certainly remember fishing the back of the tanks at hendon and seeing morons lighting fires 20yds from huge tanks containing highly combustable chemicals, its no wonder we get kicked off places like that.
its only a few years back i can remember one or two lads getting swept off shields pier at least one died, the port of tyne are responsible for the pier i believe so its no wonder people get their names taken and get themselves escorted off the pier. i personally have never spoken to anyone who has been arrested or had their gear siezed this may be just the vicious rumour squad. but i stand to be corrected! if these people where arrested and by that i mean in the back of the police car taken to the police station interviewed etc i would be interested to know if any where prosecuted and if so what they where charged with!
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Yes the police have duty to preserve life but do not have a power to arrest you for fishing where you shouldnt be. If you say \"i am staying go away and leave me alone\" they cannot use force to move you or it would be an assault.

They could only seize your gear if it was evidence of an offence, as no offence is being comitted they cant seize it.

Persuasion wuld have probably been used by the police, thats all
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Actually, trespass is now a criminal offence and not a civil offence, has been for some time. It came in with the criminal justice act a few years back, the law that was largely created to stop people having parties/raves, persecute new age travellers and bust the hunt sabs.

The arrest powers for trespass were discretionary, but as of the the recent \'respect\' and amendments to the Regulatin of Investigatory Powers act, they\'re not any more, and do include the powers to confiscate any materials that are being used or may be used in a crime, so if If trespass is a crime, anything you are carrying constitutes materials used so can be taken - that includes fishing tackle, mobile phones, in fact anything you have on your person. Yet to see a case be tried on this basis, but I\'m sure it\'ll happen - re: the liverpool 2, if the new acts had been in force when they were lifted, betcha they wouldn\'t have seen there tackle again
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You are wrong .the regulation of investagatory powers act (RIPA) has nothing at all to do with powers of arrest it is about surveillance of a covert and intrusive nature and the authorities required to do such things.

The offence of \"aggravated trespass\" does exist and is designed for raves,protests and specifically hunt saboteurs (before fox hunting was banned) I find it difficult to imagine the situation where it could be used to stop you fishing.

Now if protestors were stopping you from fishing that would be a situation where it would apply.

As a result of the serious organised crime act all offences are now arrestablle if certain conditions apply. But i reiterate you would not comitt an offence by fishing!

I used to fish on the cambois hot water pipe and have been asked to leave by police, would i have done this if i thought i could be arrested and worse still lose my job???

And as for arrest powers being discretionary, all constables have discretion and do not have to arrest anybody for any offence. offences can be dealt with in many ways besides arrest from a verbal warning to a summons etc.

I personally would not arrest somebody for fishing even if it was an offence and i dont know any of my colleagues who would!!!

Have better things to do to be honest

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thanks for that mate i,ve been asked to leave a few times while fishing hendon docks sea defences always left when asked ---but know of a couple of lads arrested when they refused--where they wrong to arrest these fellas
 
thanks for that mate i,ve been asked to leave a few times while fishing hendon docks sea defences always left when asked ---but know of a couple of lads arrested when they refused--where they wrong to arrest these fellas
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What were they arrested for?????

I used to work in sunderland and i have never heard of this. Only think i can think is that they kicked off and were arrested for a breach of the peace?
 
that could be possible as i said we always left knowing we should,nt be there [it was,nt police who asked us to leave port security] but we,ve heard guys tell him to f/off so probably argued with police as well ----i know one lad [afreind of mine ]was on t/mouth one [about 10 yrs ago ]only person on theresea coming over--polce launch went out he refused to come off --so they went through the tunnel and made him come off ibeleave he was charged i,ll ask him next time i see him
 
I work at a oil terminal on South Tyneside and the jetty that the company has is regularly used to fish from.in turn the fence regularly gets broken/breached,some lads just climb around a pipe at the bottom of the wall,now that this jetty is disused the company has tried to give it back,well pay up the 30 year lease and hand the facility back to it\'s rightful owner\'s -but all to no avail,cos it all comes down to money/insurances through claim culture that we now all live in.It\'s cheaper if the company keeps the jetty incase there was an incident/accident,then the owner\'s would not be embroiled in compensation/legal wrangling etc..nobody wants the place apart from the angler\'s.
 
i,m not not up on law --but there used to be signs on places that you were,nt supposed to be [enter at your own risk] does this not apply any more
 
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