im after something inbetween, currently useing suffix supreme, nice casting, just not as thin for its strength as i think its stated, there used to be some ultima stuff which was a gold colour, think it was maxxium or something i used to liek alot, but along with my favorite line (rough diamond) its stopped being made. Both were stated at be 0.40mm, but were clearly thinner than others rated the same diameter such as the suffix