october sea angler

[willywetegg]

Some good points there mate, I have no doubt that we have caused problems ourselves in the past but they don't even scratch what a trawler can do in one sweep of the sea. That said it doesn't make right some of the things that have (and still do) gone on on our shoreline and river banks.

As far as bins go, have a drive up to the car park at Blyth. The one at the entrance to the docks where the people park that fish the pier or the north end of the beach. I bet you will find more fishing rubbish in the car park than you will in the bin that everyone has to walk past to get to their car "They still do dump rubbish". One thing in your favour there though, they have never set it on fire yet lol.

No apology either lol

Jim.

 

[codnot]

hi

hi

will we get a refund if we don't catch???? if u drive u r hammered if u fish u r hammered the new government motto HAND IT OVER THE USA NEEDS YOUR CASH i will not pay we r taxed more than enough on tackle the way it is now
to go fishing for a couple of hours
5 sinkers x £1.95
bait £8.00
tackle misalliance (hooks.line.ect) £15.00
that's just me not a kick of £30.00 i have seen lads pay well more than that the shops don't keep all of the cash u spend the government get most of it so the little man pays out agane. it makes u stop & think when a Young lad go's in to a tackle shop & spends over £150.00 just to start sea fishing & that is just for the basics it's all just government greed the fat cats get fatter the little man is swept away. it dose not mater how thy tart it up

 

[davem2005]

Captain Buba,
I have to agree with jim. The fish taken by anglers are a small proportion compared to the quota's allowed in the north sea and in this year the discards are also a horrendous figure. the figure quoted is 8000 tonnes...probably more than the total catch in matches for the last ten years. A large roll on roll off skip holds 40 tons....is 30 ft long 8 foot wide and 8 foot deep. So to hold the cod discarded dead by commercials this year you would need 200 skips. This equates to an area the size of the pitch at St James's (45,000 sq feet) plus the area around it ...filled to a depth of 8' with dead and useless cod...puts it into perspective.

Angling is recognised as been sustainable method of catching fish with little impact on the enviroment...its also only now been recognised as a valuable contribution to the uk economy as well.

I can not understand how people think anglers are going to make any money from a licence scheme...the only reason I support it is that it will give us a say in the way our fisheries are managed which should give us all better fishing in the long run.

Cheers
dave.

andcertainly noapologies for my veiws and opinions.

 

[willywetegg]

will we get a refund if we don't catch????

If you hold a freshwater licence and fish any freshwater fishery and don't catch then you won't get a refund from them either codnot. A hell of a lot of people still do it every day of the season.

to go fishing for a couple of hours
5 sinkers x £1.95
bait £8.00
tackle misalliance (hooks.line.ect) £15.00

I make or get my sinkers a lot cheaper than that but it still costs me a lot more than that for a nights fishing. I live in Consett and never turn out just for a couple of hours, I wish I could. By the time I pick my bait up on the morning and then turn out for my nights fishing it costs me loads just for fuel.

As far as saying I would not pay for a licence, I couldn't say that as then I might as well just give away all of my gear as I would never get back anything near what it is worth.

Hopefully as Dave says, maybe one day it might just give us a say in what goes on in our sport. The more we keep talking to our MPs the more chance we have in getting what we want. I know it is hard work, I have had Emails unanswered , they can't do that??? yes they bloody can. Keep at it, eventually we may get a result.

What is better?? the last two years results?? I don't think so. Every few years there is a good year. I have a feeling, judging by our shore catch reports so far this year, that this year is going to be pretty good. I know that depends on the weather and quite a few other things too. Lets just hope it is better.

Unfortunately I am going to miss most of it. I will be in hospital some time in the next week or so for a back op. I have been told that it might help me but it might not. I am making my aim, to get back out in January, hopefully there might still be a few fish still knocking about then, if not I will still be there trying my best to catch a new PB.

Jim.

 

[captain buba]

esay answer to all the issues is to buy a licence therfore cos we cant do anything about trawlers as the fishing comitte of great britian is made up of commercial fishermen only so the only way to get a say is a licence, im still not sure myself cos i would preffer them to tell us what we will get for our money. that said regarding blyth pier i was talking about roker pier with all respect in my last post i siad that every one would come up with similar answers. because now blyth can move on with there problems but we cant cos theres no bins at all. i just wish it was a little clearer on whole licence issue instead of white paper this white paper that ,maybe sea angler should do an article on the facts of the licence im sure they can get answers from the men who know?

 

[davem2005]

Captain buba,
The papers only report what has happened and have very little input to what goes on.

Locally our inshore fishery is controlled by the SFC's of which I am a member. Obviously I do my best to represent anglers as that is the sole reason I put my hand up for the position. It is an unpaid appointment so please dont think I am in this for the money. I did it because I want to try and change the whole decision making process in favour of anglers rather than the current situation where commecials set the rules. Its an uphill struggle as if I vote against a change there are 17 others from the commercial side who will vote for it. I do my best to keep NE anglers informed of what is going on and also to increase our voice to higher decision makers.

Things are gradually changing and anglers are being listened to more and more. the Marine Bill White paper in my opinion is a major step to help us catch more providing we get a voice in the running of our seas...this is the major change that would help us catch more...Lets hope it happens and we see some improvements before we are asked to pay to fish.

Cheers
dave

 

[mick dunn]

In Sea Angler this week there was talk of a one mile no commercial fishing zone around our coastline. This is to protect stocks etc.This sounds an excellent idea.

As to baliffs well i was checked by a couple up Derwent resevoir. I got warned for fishing with two rods at the same time. (If you could have called my efforts to flyfish in my first week fishing as fishing).

As to the licence it would in my opinion give us more say. If anglers are paying for something its got to give us more poke.

I realise checking could be a problem.

Mick.

 

[gazzawill]

quote ;The place is nearly a bad a s**t tip as Seaham on occasions, and this place is open to anglers only "big security gates" can't blame the general public for the mess down there! Anglers should be holding there heads in shame!



our pier may have gates on but we get them climbing on via the slope beach in the centre the north peir
and im disgusted by you calling our pier a s**t tip
most members like myself pick others litter up on our way off and put it in the bins located at pier gates
i dunno when the last time you were on our pier but if your not a member your as bad as them you accuse

 

[cod basher]

I am a member so know exactly the problem Seaham has with regards to littering! match after match bait wrapper after bait wrapper is thrown away!!! Its not just the little toe rags that scale the pier walls! In fairness to you being upset i will state that not every club member has this disregard but there is a good handful of you that let the club down match after match!

 

[davem2005]

In Sea Angler this week there was talk of a one mile no commercial fishing zone around our coastline. This is to protect stocks etc.This sounds an excellent idea.

As to baliffs well i was checked by a couple up Derwent resevoir. I got warned for fishing with two rods at the same time. (If you could have called my efforts to flyfish in my first week fishing as fishing).

As to the licence it would in my opinion give us more say. If anglers are paying for something its got to give us more poke.

I realise checking could be a problem.

Mick.

Mick,
This is an initiative proposed by anglers and I have to agree its a good idea. Thing is that for it to happen anglers would have to support it...in fact to take the time to insist on it via emails to your mp etc.

Cheers
Dave.

 

[YoursTruly]

Was trying very hard not to post on this subject, no will power at all.

"In Sea Angler this week there was talk of a one mile no commercial fishing zone around our coastline. This is to protect stocks etc.This sounds an excellent idea."

Mick, yes it sounds like a good idea to have a 1 mile exclusion zone, but who is going to police it?

Most of you who know me know only to well how many times i have reported illegal goings on between roker and S/S pier and all my efforts have been a complete waste of time.

As for the license, if i thought any of the revenue would be spent to improve the fishing around the N.E then i would be first in the queue to purchase one, however i am guessing most of the money paid in would be swallowed up in administration along with jobs for the boys.

As for having a voice speaking for us anglers, well once again most of the talk would be about saving Tope and Bass, not that i have got anything against tope or bass, all i want is someone to do something for the North east anglers.
I can remember the good years as some of you also can and it would be great if some of the newcomers to the sport had a chance of catching numbers of fish as well as doubles.

As you can guess if this license comes into force then i for one will NOT be buying one.

Matchman, you sound as if you are in line for a job along with your mate Alan,lol!

 

[davem2005]

Yourstruely,
I can certainly agree wth most of what you have posted and in particular your comments about bass and tope being the focus of most organisations conservation measures.

Some time ago I was asked by the SACN to become the regional co-ordinator for the simple reason that I am a NE angler with with the ne fishing at heart. I have never caught a bass but I have had 1 0r 2 tope The committee recognise that this region is different to most others in the country and has a reputation for particular types of fishing that is not available anywhere else in the country.

No one organisation can reckon to represent all anglers in all regions for all the species they target, but I certainly intend to focus on our regional problems and make anglers aware of what is going on HERE...not somewhere in cornwall. I do my best to keep NE anglers informed about what is going on here off our coast...not somewhere down there.

As far as I know the NE is the only region in the uk where this has happened and its because the committee realise the region has its own specific problems.

I do my best and if you have any problems with what you consider to be illegal fishing let me know all the details you have and rest assured I will bring it up with the relevant authority.

Oneof the problemswith the area between Roker and SS peir is it is at the extreme end of the NESFC region and out of the jurisdiction of the NSFC patrol boat( even though it is based in the tyne)

The good news is the NSFC is covering that region temporarily whilst the new NESFC is delayed in manufacture. Let me have some details...I'll certainly bring it up with those that could do something about it if an offence is actually being committed.##

Cheers
Dave

 

[captain buba]

cheers dave mate nice to know someone is fighting our corner i thinks its inevitable that it will come in.. but im sure it will only be a by law as the magnacarter states we have a right to fish our coastline, i heard this from micky quail is this true and what will happn legally? micky seems to think you'll not be prosucuted for breach of bylaw, if so this will not encourage people to buy a licence. this is my main concern on the matter really as im pretty much sure the rest of the system will work........ (would also love to see some sort of farmed cod released into the sea in numbers around the country) im sure this would benefit all parties.........

 

[davem2005]

Captain,
The proposals in the marine bill are a bit more than a by law. Its the first major shake up fisheries regulations since 1967.Things have changed and its well overdue.

To adress a few things Mickie reckons...

The magna carta was an act of parliament...this is also an act of parliament and can overtunr it though this may then be overturned in court at a later date.

Bylaws covering our coastline are created by either councils or the SFC's, both will take a case to court if they feel they will win...parking offences are a bylaw ...and we all know what happens there.

With regard to releasing farmed cod ...no chance..the companies farming cod are doing it for profit so very little chance they will let a few go for you. But the introduction of a 1 mile no trawl zone would create a massive spawning area for fish to help repopulate our seas. With regard to policing it nothing would change. The fisheries protection vessels already enforce laws within the 6 mile limit ...just means they have more rules to enforce...they would still be inspecting the same number of vessels.

Cheers
DAve

 

[Gwyn]

Mark,
In the replies made by various organisations both the Enviromental Agency and the SFC's offered to manage and police the license, subject to funding being made available to set it up.

My bet would be for it to be given to the EA as they have the system in place to sell the coarse license.

A report by the NESFC came up with an annual extra cost to operate the scheme of £150,000 which does not include the cost of an extra patrol boat.

The money raised by the license is supposed to be ringfenced and put back into the fisheries but personally I cant see there been much left after running costs.

Cheers
Dave

The NESFC also stated that there were 66000 sea anglers in their region, if the licence fee is to be the same as a coarse licence the revenue is well in excess of a million pounds what are they going to do with the difference?
The extra patrol boat is being built already in Finland can't we build this type of boat in this country

 

[Charlie_Thompson]

The extra patrol boat is being built already in Finland can't we build this type of boat in this country

Of course we can but we don't because British patriots and captains of industry reckon it's better for us all if we buy cheaper stuff from other countries. Thanks for that! Better for who likes?