Anchoring
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kingfisher
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F.O.A SEAN
did you manage to get your plotter sorted still looking for some wrecks for you
did you manage to get your plotter sorted still looking for some wrecks for you
Les
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sean,
go to
www.craysidemarine.co.uk
have a look at some of the things in the menu and you\'ll find a bit on anchor retrieval with the alderney ring method and also he sells all the gubbins for doing it, bouy, ring, stopper etc, get your rope from machine mart, 220 metres of 10mm polyprop for about £22-25.00.
this is a tricky maneuver if you haven\'t been shown how to do it though
looks like you are in at the deep end with your boat
go to
www.craysidemarine.co.uk
have a look at some of the things in the menu and you\'ll find a bit on anchor retrieval with the alderney ring method and also he sells all the gubbins for doing it, bouy, ring, stopper etc, get your rope from machine mart, 220 metres of 10mm polyprop for about £22-25.00.
this is a tricky maneuver if you haven\'t been shown how to do it though
looks like you are in at the deep end with your boat
big_sean
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cheers for that les
as for rope have some on order from alliance fishing supplies in whitby 8mm sea safe and i have checked on jimmy greens site what size is recomended for my boat and 8mm it is lol lol also on that site is an anchor size guide so all it looks like now is getting in the water and loosing a few lol lol lol
as for rope have some on order from alliance fishing supplies in whitby 8mm sea safe and i have checked on jimmy greens site what size is recomended for my boat and 8mm it is lol lol also on that site is an anchor size guide so all it looks like now is getting in the water and loosing a few lol lol lol
Les
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sean,
these guides are only that sean, a guide, my advice comes from a lot of years in small boats, drifting and anchoring
better to go over with your rope, chain and anchor.
8mm is sore on the hands to pull, 10mm is better, go well over on your anchor, get at least a 7.5kg bruce copy and at least 6 metres of 8mm chain.
i use a 10kg bruce copy and 11 metres of chain, better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
when using this heavy gear you don\'t need to let as much warp out, all this 3 times the depth is cack in a small boat, i regularly anchor in 550 feet of water with 220m of rope, and most of whats left is still in the bucket.
don\'t forget to trip the anchor with cable ties...
these guides are only that sean, a guide, my advice comes from a lot of years in small boats, drifting and anchoring
better to go over with your rope, chain and anchor.
8mm is sore on the hands to pull, 10mm is better, go well over on your anchor, get at least a 7.5kg bruce copy and at least 6 metres of 8mm chain.
i use a 10kg bruce copy and 11 metres of chain, better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
when using this heavy gear you don\'t need to let as much warp out, all this 3 times the depth is cack in a small boat, i regularly anchor in 550 feet of water with 220m of rope, and most of whats left is still in the bucket.
don\'t forget to trip the anchor with cable ties...
Les
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alan,
for skate the depth is anything but constant or rocky, but you fish the deep stuff and once your pick is in, its in...
it\'s all down the the sheer weight of whats on the end of your rope
still plenty of tide there, up to 4lb of lead on anything less than a neap tide, and then 2lb during
same in luce bay out at the scares, you know the tide out there, with my anchor down in 80-90 feet hit the bottom and let out maybe 100 feet extra and don\'t budge
anchored at st.abbs head over a wreck a couple of weeks ago in 100 feet in a BIG spring tide, hit the bottom paid out about 100 feet and was solid.
and it all comes up as clean as you like with the big bouy and ring
can\'t fish in a big sea with a 15 foot seahog alan, you must know that??
you might be old and experienced alan, but you don\'t know every aspect of the game,
i\'ve been small boating for 25 years but i\'m sure you could still teach me a thing or two.
do you still have your own boat??
les
for skate the depth is anything but constant or rocky, but you fish the deep stuff and once your pick is in, its in...
it\'s all down the the sheer weight of whats on the end of your rope
still plenty of tide there, up to 4lb of lead on anything less than a neap tide, and then 2lb during
same in luce bay out at the scares, you know the tide out there, with my anchor down in 80-90 feet hit the bottom and let out maybe 100 feet extra and don\'t budge
anchored at st.abbs head over a wreck a couple of weeks ago in 100 feet in a BIG spring tide, hit the bottom paid out about 100 feet and was solid.
and it all comes up as clean as you like with the big bouy and ring
can\'t fish in a big sea with a 15 foot seahog alan, you must know that??
you might be old and experienced alan, but you don\'t know every aspect of the game,
i\'ve been small boating for 25 years but i\'m sure you could still teach me a thing or two.
do you still have your own boat??
les
unfortunately Les, due to arthritis i no longer have my boat. After you replied which I knew you would i was going to ask a simple Q you answered it in your second paragraph. Obvioulsy you use a quite heavy anchor, this will keep you anchored with very little extra rope out, just as a great lump of concrete would. Danger when anchoring in a strong tide with little excess rope is that your stern could be dragged under, this happened to a mate of mine at the Mull of galloway, they had to cut the rope. Although anchoring this way in very deep water as you do, you would be suprised at the angle of dangle on the anchor rope which would compensate for this. the reason why i advise boat anglers to let out a lot of slack is simply because many do not use a heavy anchor. I myself only used a 15lb plough and many thought this was big, but around Portpatrcik and the Scarrs where the tide raeches 12 knots it is essentail to have a good angle so the anchor when pulled digs deeper instead of coming out. Mind you on the odd occassion i have had the trip snap just with the tide and come loose anyway. A long anchor rope also stops your anchor pulling out when in a big rolling sea where the lift can be tremendous, straight up and down and out it pops. There are a lot of factors which determine how you anchor which have got to be taken into account, no current or tide small anchor warp, big rolling sea strong tide long anchor warp. the type of bottom is also a big factor, sandy or muddy bottom long warp, rocky bottom, shorter warp. The type of anchor used is also a big factor. obvioulsy a plough for soft bottom and when i was fishing over rocks or wrecks i had some very light grapells which i made myself out of soft material, they either bent out or snapped off when i needed to retrieve them, better than loosing an expensive anchor. I never say i know all aspects of the game as i used to learn something new everytime i went out, and everything i do say i make sure everyone knows that this is my opinion and how i have found boat angling for the thirty years i was able to do it. Others might find differently and may do things slightly different to suit their boat. I differ with some on retrieving anchors using the ring, many say fasten it to the transon cleat, y opinion on this is it is one way to tear the stern out or get the warp round your engine. I used to prefer leaving my anchor warp free and just watch the buoy, keeping it at an angle from the stern and well away from the engine. OLD i\'ll give you old.
big_sean
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:casstet: 
:exclam: 
:casstet: :exclam: hi all
well most of our anchoring will be done on a clay / sandy bottom in about 40/50 foot of water
also the mooring cleat at the front of the boat does not look very strong as for towing the anchor out so it looks like it will be heave ho and hopefully up it comes as to size of anchor i am still baffeled but as i have made a few small grapnells and got a small britony it looks like i will be trying them first the britony for the sand and the grapnells for the clay/rougher stuff
i have aproximately 10 foot of chain for each anchor and will see if it works if it doesnt then that day will be drifting and when we get home more chain and slighty bigger anchors but all your points have been taken on board and thanks for answering
sean :casstet:
:exclam: :casstet: :exclam: hi all well most of our anchoring will be done on a clay / sandy bottom in about 40/50 foot of water
also the mooring cleat at the front of the boat does not look very strong as for towing the anchor out so it looks like it will be heave ho and hopefully up it comes as to size of anchor i am still baffeled but as i have made a few small grapnells and got a small britony it looks like i will be trying them first the britony for the sand and the grapnells for the clay/rougher stuff
i have aproximately 10 foot of chain for each anchor and will see if it works if it doesnt then that day will be drifting and when we get home more chain and slighty bigger anchors but all your points have been taken on board and thanks for answering
sean :casstet:
Sean, in my opinion i would not use your grapnells in clay they will prodably just pull out with any decent tide. Keep them for rocky ground. Ten foot of chain should be enough it is just to stop wear and tear from rocks extra on the anchor rope. in 40/50 foot of water i would personally let a good bit of rope out so the anchor will get a good bite when the tide runs. If not much tide you will not need so much. How heavy is your anchor, for my Alaska 500 as i said i used a 15lb plough which i found capable of holding most of the time. You will soon get used to it and when you need more rope out and when you dont, as you know from drift fishing sometimes you dont moveat all so an anchor just plopped over the side is enough. Two things though, firstly get your bow cleat fixed, you can put considerable amount of force on it just at anchor especially if there is a bit of a bump on, one solid jar and you are away sideways (very dangerous) with your anchor dragging along. Secondly if you are not used to anchoring watch for the turn of the tide you dont want your loose anchor rope getting caught in the props as you drift back over it.
[Edited on 28/10/2005 by Charlton]
[Edited on 28/10/2005 by Charlton]
Les
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lol @ alan re OLD, knew that would get your attention....lol,
well you are older than me and my son\'s think i\'m ancient.
the heavy anchor and chain are used by everyone i know up here in scotland, mainly due to being forced to fish the deep lochs with silty bottoms, i used to use a 20lb CQR plough and found it useless not due to the tide, but the wind, the bruce copy i and a lot of my friends use now has stopped this almost completely but out on the skate grounds if it is a bit blowy you can still drag, doesn\'t matter how much rope you have out, but again, if it is that rough you shouldn\'t be out there.
as for using the stern cleat for pulling the anchor, this is just madness, most of the people i know use a lazy line about 1/2 the length of the boat with a float on it and the winch eye takes the strain. it also pays to use a stopper on the float about 20 feet infront of the boat
the alderney method isn\'t hard to do, but it\'s best to be shown how to properly, or practice in shallow tide free conditions a few times before taking on the more deeper strong tide marks...
i don\'t understand how your friends boat could be pulled under at the stern if his anchor was tied off at the bow.
well you are older than me and my son\'s think i\'m ancient.
the heavy anchor and chain are used by everyone i know up here in scotland, mainly due to being forced to fish the deep lochs with silty bottoms, i used to use a 20lb CQR plough and found it useless not due to the tide, but the wind, the bruce copy i and a lot of my friends use now has stopped this almost completely but out on the skate grounds if it is a bit blowy you can still drag, doesn\'t matter how much rope you have out, but again, if it is that rough you shouldn\'t be out there.
as for using the stern cleat for pulling the anchor, this is just madness, most of the people i know use a lazy line about 1/2 the length of the boat with a float on it and the winch eye takes the strain. it also pays to use a stopper on the float about 20 feet infront of the boat
the alderney method isn\'t hard to do, but it\'s best to be shown how to properly, or practice in shallow tide free conditions a few times before taking on the more deeper strong tide marks...
i don\'t understand how your friends boat could be pulled under at the stern if his anchor was tied off at the bow.
OOps bit of a slip there les, the stern came out the water when anchored at the bow, they could not use the engine so they had to cut the rope. mind they did try and anchor along the side of the Mull of Galloway when the tide was running, and they where experienced boat anglers, over here, and where obvioulsy caught out.
Hope you have a winchon your boat to pull your anchor up.
God if your kids think you are ancient.
Well big sean one thing you will pick up from these posts is that anchoring is not as simple as just dropping a lump of metal over the side. Different anchors and weights for different, types of ground, different depths etc. Also what works in one location, the NE may well not work in another location, Scotland. Get used to anchoring in your own location, get to know how your boat handles when retrieving the anchor with a ring, as Less ays practice in calm tide free shallow water to get used to the idea. if travelling get some local knowledge of tides, currents etc and be vary wary at new venues.
Hope you have a winchon your boat to pull your anchor up.
God if your kids think you are ancient.
Well big sean one thing you will pick up from these posts is that anchoring is not as simple as just dropping a lump of metal over the side. Different anchors and weights for different, types of ground, different depths etc. Also what works in one location, the NE may well not work in another location, Scotland. Get used to anchoring in your own location, get to know how your boat handles when retrieving the anchor with a ring, as Less ays practice in calm tide free shallow water to get used to the idea. if travelling get some local knowledge of tides, currents etc and be vary wary at new venues.
Les
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no alan, no winch but on my boat we have a system and everyone has a job, usually there is only 2 of us, so i drive the boat so i\'m the MASTER and whoever else is on with me is the BITCH and does all the work, pulling ropes, winding up from 500 feet to check the baits, making the tea, cooking the breakfast.....you get the picture....
Charlie_Thompson
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Great thread lads, very infrmative thanks.
Just 1 Q.
What\'s the best anchor to stop a 15 stone man floating off the carpet and hitting the ceiling. ( A friend wants to know like )?
TIA
Just 1 Q.
What\'s the best anchor to stop a 15 stone man floating off the carpet and hitting the ceiling. ( A friend wants to know like
)?TIA
Charlie_Thompson
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