willywetegg
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Well as you can see now Glenn I have been misinformed and it is still on the agenda. :casstet: :casstet: :casstet:
Jim.
Jim.
Anglers collecting peelers will soon need a permit
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micky-quayle
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i think that this proposal has zero chance of becoming law and been implemented. the magna carta includes a paragraph which goes something like (not certain of the exact wording)
anything which is ancillary to fishing may be taken from beyond the mean low water mark. (and what could be more ancillary to fishing than bait !)
even the government as far as i am aware can not overide the magna carta.
please correct me if i\'m wrong but that is my understanding, perhaps someone with a little more legal knowlege could clarify ?
anything which is ancillary to fishing may be taken from beyond the mean low water mark. (and what could be more ancillary to fishing than bait !)
even the government as far as i am aware can not overide the magna carta.
please correct me if i\'m wrong but that is my understanding, perhaps someone with a little more legal knowlege could clarify ?
lol a member with a sense of humour and who knows something! 
if it was a river near me and there was room i would happily spend a day keeping fit to help you and every other angler who wants to collect crabs from that public area being the unselfish type of angling i am. too much me me me around i think.
you would obviously have to tell me how to do it because seemingly i know nowt (but its being said before).
if it was a river near me and there was room i would happily spend a day keeping fit to help you and every other angler who wants to collect crabs from that public area being the unselfish type of angling i am.
too much me me me around i think.you would obviously have to tell me how to do it because seemingly i know nowt (but its being said before).
ninga , that is very public spirited of you - can you put me 200 down beside South Shields Ferry landing in Febuary 2007
Too true Ninga it has been said before. You know nowt, unfortunately it was nothing to do with sea angling and i think your 20 years sucessful angling and bait collecting speaks for itself.
Rather a narrow minded attitude being displayed by some members, good to see most adopt a common sense approach. On that note i\'m off to do your tyres !!!
Rather a narrow minded attitude being displayed by some members, good to see most adopt a common sense approach. On that note i\'m off to do your tyres !!!
tony.codling
Well-known member
Poor Tess Charlesworth, trying to make a living.
And someone does his tyres, when he cant make it.
BriH
Well-known member
never robbed out of anyones tyres/traps as i go to the west coast or north wales ,i think it would be akin to robbing someones allotment - the work involved in getting them dug out and keep them clear etc etc - agree with tony.codling people robbing out of tyres that are a mans livelyhood(Unless authorised by the \"owner\" IE a phone call to see if your doing them or not and vice versa on tyres beside yours ,if you cant make it let Tess Know so he can do yours etc etc) is out of order in my book and is just about pick pocketing his earnings
Micky have already pointed that point out to Nigel in a pm. A bye law can not take away your common law right to collect bait, will see what reaction they come back to this point, as this right has been proven in the high court.
Other points to take into consideration
if you start banning bait collecting in one area, this has happened with digging for worms, if an angler can not get enough in one area he goes to another which increases the load on that area. answer is to make more areas accessible.
As for the Q of traps, as far as i am concerened the traps may belong to the person who puts them there but the crabs do not, and that goes for the traps i had in the Tyne and Blyth. If someone else was there first tough. All you are doing is attracting the crabs that would normally find shelter in natural objects and depriving those who crabbed for many years without the need for traps, these people can no longer get the bait they need and many have packed in fishing. i did an article a few years ago on this very subject for Total Sea Fishing and the response it got was in favour of my views, apart from those who have rows and rows of tyres and greedily horde their bait and defend their tyres by any means possible. No doubt this will cause some reaction
Other points to take into consideration
if you start banning bait collecting in one area, this has happened with digging for worms, if an angler can not get enough in one area he goes to another which increases the load on that area. answer is to make more areas accessible.
As for the Q of traps, as far as i am concerened the traps may belong to the person who puts them there but the crabs do not, and that goes for the traps i had in the Tyne and Blyth. If someone else was there first tough. All you are doing is attracting the crabs that would normally find shelter in natural objects and depriving those who crabbed for many years without the need for traps, these people can no longer get the bait they need and many have packed in fishing. i did an article a few years ago on this very subject for Total Sea Fishing and the response it got was in favour of my views, apart from those who have rows and rows of tyres and greedily horde their bait and defend their tyres by any means possible. No doubt this will cause some reaction
Alan,
A slightly different subject but relevant to how this has gone here.
I seem to remember the magna carte being used by anglers and their solicitors when the environment agency applied for a bye law to stop them fishing the tidal stretches of the esk between the wear and Ruswarp damn. The environment agency won the battle. In my opinion if these agencies want something they useally get it and to hell with logic reason and age old laws. We have to be on guard in this day and age.
Keep an eye on the marine bill going through parliment soon. They will be attempting to charge us to fish and limiting the amount of fish we can catch before long.
A slightly different subject but relevant to how this has gone here.
I seem to remember the magna carte being used by anglers and their solicitors when the environment agency applied for a bye law to stop them fishing the tidal stretches of the esk between the wear and Ruswarp damn. The environment agency won the battle. In my opinion if these agencies want something they useally get it and to hell with logic reason and age old laws. We have to be on guard in this day and age.
Keep an eye on the marine bill going through parliment soon. They will be attempting to charge us to fish and limiting the amount of fish we can catch before long.
Alan,
haven\'t recieved your pm
The byelaw will not affect anyone collecting bait in the rivers as the juristriction of the NESFC ends at the mouth of the major rivers (Tyne, Tees, Wear, Esk etc.), although the outer Humber estuary is within their remit. With that exception the proposed byelaw would only affect anyone collecting from the open coast or outer Humber.
Not being a legal eagle I\'m not fully conversant with the Magna Carta, however, I wouldn\'t put my faith in this being the show stopper. Its been quoted to me on a number of occasions by those in the know and at governmental level that subsequent legislation (CROW Act, Habs Regs etc.) overides the magna carta which is considered as nothing more than quaint and of historical importance.
The byelaw will go to the committee on 25th July where it will be discussed before being sent to DEFRA and out to consultation. I will move for an amendment to remove green shore crab from the species list, based on the fact that there is no sound reason to include it from a resource protection position or under ecological and conservation measures. I have it on good faith that the NESFC officers would support this.
In addition I will also propose that the permits should not include collection from the shore, as it is unnecessary, will tie up the NESFC officers for months just issueing permits to the thousands of anglers who will apply. Therefore, the cost of such a proposal would be prohibitive, unenforceable and clearly unmanageable, this should appeal to the councillors who like to see their monies well spent and not used on a worthless and pointless task which will alienate a large proportion of their rate payers.
Cheers
Doc.
haven\'t recieved your pm
The byelaw will not affect anyone collecting bait in the rivers as the juristriction of the NESFC ends at the mouth of the major rivers (Tyne, Tees, Wear, Esk etc.), although the outer Humber estuary is within their remit. With that exception the proposed byelaw would only affect anyone collecting from the open coast or outer Humber.
Not being a legal eagle I\'m not fully conversant with the Magna Carta, however, I wouldn\'t put my faith in this being the show stopper. Its been quoted to me on a number of occasions by those in the know and at governmental level that subsequent legislation (CROW Act, Habs Regs etc.) overides the magna carta which is considered as nothing more than quaint and of historical importance.
The byelaw will go to the committee on 25th July where it will be discussed before being sent to DEFRA and out to consultation. I will move for an amendment to remove green shore crab from the species list, based on the fact that there is no sound reason to include it from a resource protection position or under ecological and conservation measures. I have it on good faith that the NESFC officers would support this.
In addition I will also propose that the permits should not include collection from the shore, as it is unnecessary, will tie up the NESFC officers for months just issueing permits to the thousands of anglers who will apply. Therefore, the cost of such a proposal would be prohibitive, unenforceable and clearly unmanageable, this should appeal to the councillors who like to see their monies well spent and not used on a worthless and pointless task which will alienate a large proportion of their rate payers.
Cheers
Doc.
sorry ninga
i must appologise to you, i applaud your attitude to crabbing and your willingmness to help others, the same as i would. At least you seem to realise that the crabs do not belong to anyone, they belong to all. Fozally they are quite welcome too,
point i was making is how far do you go, put out tyres traps to stop crabs going into the rocks and seaweed where all can collect them. Trap owners calling the crabs theirs. Put a barrier in front of the traps so you can get them first. I even know of one guy in Wales who dredges the small rivers to get the crabs before they come ashore. What next.
i must appologise to you, i applaud your attitude to crabbing and your willingmness to help others, the same as i would. At least you seem to realise that the crabs do not belong to anyone, they belong to all. Fozally they are quite welcome too,
point i was making is how far do you go, put out tyres traps to stop crabs going into the rocks and seaweed where all can collect them. Trap owners calling the crabs theirs. Put a barrier in front of the traps so you can get them first. I even know of one guy in Wales who dredges the small rivers to get the crabs before they come ashore. What next.
Isn\'t it funny that the ones who cry \"The crab in the river are fair game for anyone to collect\", have usually never dug in a tyre or placed a bit of guttering themselves. Why don\'t they try it then see how they feel when each time they go down to do them someone else is in them or has been in them.
The phrase \"pissed off\" comes to mind.
The phrase \"pissed off\" comes to mind.
cannot find anyone on this post who has said fair game who hasnt put traps in themself. personally put loads in and on top of that spend time in april/may cleaning \"my traps\" as well as everyone elses out ready for the season.never went down the river and felt p@ssed off when someones in collecting bait to enjoy there fishing. infact when ive seen juniors down ive actively encoraged it and give advice. may feel p@ssed off if someone came down shouting about who the crabs belong to in the public river. feel quite lucky as the area i collect crabs everyone knows each other and get on very well.