This issue was raised on the whitby seangler forum a while back with a link to the actual proposal and apparently stated that our catches would be included with the comercial quota for each species, so when autumn comes round and cod become the target ,guess what if your caught with one in your bag ?, yes heavy fines because quotas will most probably be met by late summer no doubt.
Bit crackers this like
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This issue was raised on the whitby seangler forum a while back with a link to the actual proposal and apparently stated that our catches would be included with the comercial quota for each species, so when autumn comes round and cod become the target ,guess what if your caught with one in your bag ?, yes heavy fines because quotas will most probably be met by late summer no doubt.
The Plum
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well therl be times whern at least one in me bag will be in it ,and that is sh ite they cant do nothing about 1 fish in my bag mate ,stop scaremongering folk
Red5
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Quite right mate. Just ordered myself a copy of this book from amazon, but one that all RSA's should read to see what they have missed out on through the mismanagement of our seas by the commercial sector and their political poodles.
The Unnatural History of the Sea - Google Book Search
just to put you right on the 400 replies, I did point this pout to those who put it in print, this was 400 seperate replies, some came from oranisation with a membership well into the thousands. organisations have the experience to know that single replies are taken very lightly, although they should still be sent in as many anglers are not members of clubs or oraganisations. So therefore the 400 is very misleading, some thing it was done deliberately. If you are going to reply, which all should, do it as a club, give number of members etc. If you are an individaul don,t leave it to others reply and put your thoughts to the powesr that be. Belive me if the quotas come into force, even if you do only have a single cod in your bag you will be prosecuted, as those prosecuted for having edible crabs will testify. Our lot will, unlike those in other countries, will enforce the law to the letter.
Red5
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I quite agree about the 400 looking misleading, but it would be interesting to know how many of those replies were from a group or organisiation so we could have an idea of how many they represent. I am aware that there are clubs in the Sunderland area that represent 1000 anglers, times that by the amount of replies and that makes 400, 000 anglers out of the estimated 1.4 million sea anglers in the country, a good response if that was the case. What of tackle manufacturers, how many of those replied, as I know that no-one was at the meeting from Greys/Hardys last year as they didn't take the licence issue seriously, and what of Titan, Seabait and the other North east companies who supply to tackle shops. Unfortunately I can give you my old club as an example, at the time that this was going on last year we had around 18 members. I was the only one who responded, individually, as no-one in the club was interested or gave a t**s. Politically most are apathetic, and that is the difference between commercial fishermen and recreational anglers, the commercial sector has political organisation, political representation and political will power. We are 1.4 million individuals who all have differing ideas on what we want.Obviously Angling Unity are going to try and change all that, but will it be too little too late? I can bet you that when proposals are being introduced in Brussels, the commercial sectors representatives are informing their members ASAP on how this will affect their interests so they can lobby their MP's. RSA's hear about proposals in the press a couple of days before replies have to be forwarded to DEFRA, and yet this has been talked about for months. Bear in mind when it comes to marine reserves etc, anglers will also have to accept the opinions of the RSPB, English Nature etc who want areas closed to RSA's, and again they have the political might that angling doesn't.
agree totally anndy, apathy lost us to many bait digging sites.
Topfly
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Hi Red5, I diddn't see my name on the list, along with andy rutherfords / whitby sac etc. you are dead right, i bet there were thousands of anglers who applied for stakeholders " rights " . yes we all got an E/Mail reply with links to the documents, but defra would have us all believe that the anglers in this country are fully aware and in agreement to what is about to be un leashed on us. i think this government should start building some jails 
Red5
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Hi Red5, I diddn't see my name on the list, along with andy rutherfords / whitby sac etc. you are dead right, i bet there were thousands of anglers who applied for stakeholders " rights " . yes we all got an E/Mail reply with links to the documents, but defra would have us all believe that the anglers in this country are fully aware and in agreement to what is about to be un leashed on us. i think this government should start building some jails
this is the point. everything that is going to affect anglers is not being advertised enough by DEFRA for anglers to do anything about it even if there wasn't any apathy. No angling body is advertising the issues, no angling press are screaming from the hilltops, clubs, (some) tackle shops, tackle suppliers are dis-interested. The two main magazines could be doing more to be a step ahead of the times instead of still reporting summer wrasse/bass fishing or the fact that this is the best year ever for cod, when obviously North East anglers aren't seeing this at all.
paulthespark
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I don,t think that it is apathy among sea anglers' i think the problem lies in that out of1.4 million anglers ,1.3 million havn't a clue about whats going on and that includes me. If you want to go political and put forward the views and aspirations of of all sea anglers you have to have all of thier backing collectivly as one voice .and at the moment that ain't goinig to happen, because there isn;t a professinal body that can unite us all and work on our behalf to infofm us on a regular basis what is going on,and speak out for us at the highest levels. If you have an orginisation with 1.4 million payed up members the goverment or anyone else for that matter are forced to sit up and listen to our grievences, until that happens nothing will happen.and all we will get is apathy.
The Great Wallsendo
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I think it is apathy among a lot of anglers - granted not every angler is up to speed with current events but I can't believe for one minute that out of 1.4 million over 99% of them have not heard in some form about the licensing issue
There are a few national and regional organisations in place that "represent" it's members...problem is they are all working to their own agendas pretty much and not together
There are a few national and regional organisations in place that "represent" it's members...problem is they are all working to their own agendas pretty much and not together
Red5
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Well said. The vast majority of anglers I know are apathetic, with most saying "it'll never happen coz they can't police it", or "it's my right to fish, it says so in the magna carta", along with many other excuses not to get involved. Same when I club fished, there were two or three lads that put themselves out to make the club run smoothly, whilst many others sat in the background and moaned and groaned when things weren't going the way that they wanted, but didn't speak out when given the chance.
As for national and regional organisations, you are bang on. Same with the angling press, telling us it's a great year etc, well they would want us to think that so we continue to buy their magazines.
DEFRA have done nothing either, being a government agency they've hardly highlighted issues over the past year for the public to get the chance to respond to
