Bloody shocking

Charlton said:
spoken to DEFRA a few times about quotas, my answer to stop discards is scrap species quotas and have a total weight quota for each boat, when they reach this weight total,. stop fishing. No discrads, no waste and they should have made a bit of dosh.
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far too sensible for politicians to grasp alan.

In Ireland they are allowed to trade quotas at the quayside - if you've gone over you're quota, you can trade the excess against the quota of another boat that is under its quota

when all the boats have filled there quotas they tie up for the year - only by being sensible, they never have to tie up, can fish all year round, yet still manage to obey the quotas laws

Now if this were france, the boats would be blockading all the ports in protest to get it sorted, which it invariably would be - in their favour
 
Charlton said:
spoken to DEFRA a few times about quotas, my answer to stop discards is scrap species quotas and have a total weight quota for each boat, when they reach this weight total,. stop fishing. No discrads, no waste and they should have made a bit of dosh.
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The dumping will still occur even with that in place alan, boats will discard so called lesser species such as whiting in order to bulk up on more lucrative fish.Its a very tough one to get right, but something cirtainly needs to be done.
 
Falcone said:
The dumping will still occur even with that in place alan, boats will discard so called lesser species such as whiting in order to bulk up on more lucrative fish.Its a very tough one to get right, but something cirtainly needs to be done.
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as i'm sure it does with the Irish system,

Not like me to stick up for the govenment but do we not think that if it was as simple as we, myself included, think it is to solve this problem it would have been solved by now! all the posts on here make perfect sence to me but if it was as simple as bringing in a system like the Irish or a total wieght quota then it would have be done by now??
 
The problem is Phil is that this government (and those that came before) have been weak in protecting our shores and borders

The french and scandinavians have shown scant disregard for fishing our waters and pretty much laugh in the face of quotas...until we can EFFECTIVELY police our own waters then any kind of quota system is redundant and un-enforceable
 
QUOTE=The Great Wallsendo;114218]The problem is Phil is that this government (and those that came before) have been weak in protecting our shores and borders

The french and scandinavians have shown scant disregard for fishing our waters and pretty much laugh in the face of quotas...until we can EFFECTIVELY police our own waters then any kind of quota system is redundant and un-enforceable[/QUOTE]

so like i said mate "if it was as simple as we, myself included, think it is to solve this problem it would have been solved by now!"
:rolleyes:. its not as simple as changing quotas or changing nets, as you quiet rightly say any quota system is redundant if we cant police it!
 
falcone, there was a lot more to the idea than what i posted, prices, etc, I dont have time to go into all the ins and outs getting ready to go on me hols. Some members at DEFRA actually agreed with what i said, but as it has been said, government stands in the way, EU directives etc.
 
I recieved a load of emails about this this morning and I will sort through them and post links.

The mind boggles on the logic of the fishermen.

ICES are recommending a reduction in quota to help the recovery of the cod.

Because of the low quota last year and this they are showing signs of recovery....so the commercials want an increase in quota of 15% "to reduce discards".

So its a case of the slightest sign of a recovery and its "GO GET EM GUYS"

The total biomass of cod is estimated at 60-80,ooo tonnes...this led to a 20000 tonne quota. They are hoping to increase this to 23,000 tonnes to reduce bycatch. It would be far more logical to work on ways to reduce bycatch than to catch more to stop bycatch. Of course this policy will work because there will be less fish left so less bycatch ...a fine long term strategy... a modern equivalent of doing for cod what Hitler did for the human race.

A report I read recently from CEFAS (they do the surveys for the gov) said that if the biomass was allowed to grow to 280 K tonnes this would allow a sustainable catch of 180 K tonnes per year...why oh why cant these guys wait! But no they want it now!!!

One person did abstain in the talks in Brussels...a NE angler :D

More details to follow including some suggestions as to what you could do to help because we need to take the fight to brussels.

Cheers
Dave
 
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The french and scandinavians have shown scant disregard for fishing our waters
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Is part of the reason for this the fact that a number of uk commercials sold the right to fish here to european boats? Or am I talking rubbish, always a possibility.
 
still don't understand why the guy in the vid decided to wait till his bycatch was definately dead and sorted into baskets before putting it back, when most of it would of stood at least some chance if tossed straight back
 
exactley mark it wasnt that big a boat or catch for them to get straight into it and put the live fish back
some do drown on the trawl but i seen plenty of cod that could of fought another day
(speeking from experiance) what small fish we had we used to throw straigh back over the side

(ps we wernt comercial just local fishermen earning a little wage)
 
This is a good link showing another view.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Minister criticised on cod quotas

Seems that the government want to go against the advice of the scientists they employ to advize them ....to protect the livelyhood of fishermen.

Its also intresting to note that gear is available to reduce bycatch but the very commercials who complain about the bycatch refuse to use it cos they loose some target species.

It really makes my blood boil to know that the minute things show the slightest signs of a recovery the commercials demand to be allowed to catch more which will no doubt reverse that trend.

Cheers
dave
 
davem2005 said:
This is a good link showing another view.

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Minister criticised on cod quotas

Seems that the government want to go against the advice of the scientists they employ to advize them ....to protect the livelyhood of fishermen.

Its also intresting to note that gear is available to reduce bycatch but the very commercials who complain about the bycatch refuse to use it cos they loose some target species.

It really makes my blood boil to know that the minute things show the slightest signs of a recovery the commercials demand to be allowed to catch more which will no doubt reverse that trend.

Cheers
dave
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It's in the Magna Carter Dave:

section 3, appendix iiixv - "Whenst it is thus that any freeman should need to. He may pillage and rape the sea for his own, and his kins financial gain. The Crown shall doth turneth a blind eye for taxeth He the Freeman shall endure"

;)
 
Just read that link from Dave about the new net technology...

...If fish were fluffy and cuddly and lived in holes in the ground can you imagine this level of neglect and general disinterest from the public? It shows up a pathetic side to most people who proclaim to be interested in animal welfare and the environment.

It's trendy to go up in arms when people suggest culling badgers or when the Japanese suggest taking 50 humpback whales for "scientific research" but no-one except anglers and commercials give a flip about "boring" old slimy fish.

I guess it's the same sort of thing with cardie-wearing vegetarians who "only eat fish". What? Yeah, cos fish are grown in allotments right next to the carrots. No, veggie, they're hauled out of the sea in a big, indiscriminate net and are either crushed to death or suffocate...

...But no-ones bothered except fishermen.

Of course there must be solutions to these quota problems and if the public cared about it the polititians would be forced to find those solutions and implement them.
 
This is totally shocking. I understand that these fishermen do this for a living but the government should do something about all of these fish getting wasted like introducing a larger holed net/grill with a smaller one behind it. The larger net/grill automatically discarding larger fish and only allowing smaller stuff to go through leaving the smaller net to collect the prawns.

What I can't understand is why were all these fish boxed just to make a point when most of them were blatantly alive when first caught?

I too am not too upt to scratch with these tactics but to think I really preach conservation to the young'uns I teach and then to see this happening makes me sick.
 
The argument that commercial fishermen need jobs and have families to support therefore they should not be criticised for some of the despicable practices they employ and their constant fight against recommended quotas does not wash with me. The unregulated actions of many commercials may quickly lead to the EXTINCTION of a number of species it is that serious. We wring our hands about the logging industry destroying rainforests, get all teary and up in arms about poaching endangered species for Bush Meet but when it comes to the fish our seas it's too often - they got families to feed, it's a way of life etc. I am not suggesting for one second that commercial fishermen should be left to starve but get really peed off when they assume they can continue to pillage our seas.
 
I agree Charlie,some,not all,some fisherman are only there to make money and if they sweep the sea clear of one species they will switch to another,owt to make money.
They don't give a toss,what the answer is i don't know,but fishermen will have to be forced to take the actions,be it nets,shorter seasons or whatever.
They will never do it without the law forcing them and that law being enforced.
I have seen and have been offered undersize fish from shrimp boats at Blyth Dun Cow quay when they were unloading,i was simply sitting in my car and was approached.
Not saying all the boats do it but it didn't raise eye brows among the other crews standing around chatting.
 
instead of quotas,why not the goverment let the boats {trawlers}fish 3 days of the week in the north sea,goes for all boats that fish our waters,what ever they catch as long as legal size limit,they land then the other 4 days out of the week the the boat sits in the dock,at least the fish they are throwing back now when there quotas are reach wont be getting dumped,and trawlermen can still make a deacent wage for what they do...would this not work better than the system they got running now???
 
I could see that then turning into a deadliest catch kind of fishing with 20+ hour shifts none stop for 3 days. They could damage the seas just as much doing that. I think all boats should be fitted with fully operational CCTV as with most other walks of life. I'm sure they would do what they were supposed to do then. I think a lot of this carnage could be avoided and is not done so as it's too much hastle to them when their thoughts are on catching what they set out to
 

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