Competitions

CHUKKA

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Been chatting to a few lads recently about comps, in particular about the ever increasing boundaries.
Just wondering what everyone thinks. I personally would like to see boundaries reduced as most matches are turning in to a lottery with a few lucky fish from a certain spot and are not rewarding skill like they used to. To me match fishing is about fishing against each other not finding a secret spot!

Numbers of anglers is down, mainly due to costs I guess. Having large boundaries only increases already high fuel costs, people feel like they have to travel and are often over looking good fishing closer to home.

If you could pick large or smaller boundaries what would you choose and why?

Also what should open prizes be £500, a grand with prize table or smaller and more evenly spread say 300,200,150,100,90,80,70,50 then a prize table. Personally I would prefer the latter. Again what's people's thoughts?

I know you can't please everyone but what are the general thoughts?
 
Yer, not that I ever fish matches but as an outsider to me there is two main elements to sea match fishing, location knowledge and then the actual fishing skill, so knowledge of marks etc is classed as angling skill. Whereas in most coarse angling comps everyone is lined up along the same stretch of water, ok some pegs are more favourable than others but the actual fishing skill part has more weight in the outcome. Just an observation like.
 
I disagree its not a lottery as such most comps are won by them who have top fishing bait and put the hours in to travel the country in search of the bait although I would like to see more pegged matches and draw your number as for prize tabled I would like to see more fishing prizes and less kettles or other items that have nothing else to do with the sport
 
Like g.ordon says i think selecting a mark suitable for the conditions and time when the match is to be fished is half the skill...

In regards to prizes i think the top prize always has to be big jusf to draw a crowd.... People are less likely to stake 10 to win 300 than they are to win a grand
 
Spot on about the boundaries Andy,its getting ridiculous.tynemouth-seahouses must be almost 45 miles of open boundaries.at one time we had the amble open which gave the chance to fish up there,then the bedlington came along and that was just about right but now they are all so big I know a lot of people haven't fished the sluice or whitley for that reason.no doubt some will prefer fishing up the coast and the way amble do it by fishing lynemouth-seahouses makes much more sense.
Only a few Years ago 500 anglers would fish the tynemouth and whitley opens which only went as far as cresswell if I remember rightly. And the amount of time it takes by allowing extra weigh in time by the time the presentation comes round its 3 hours plus of sitting waiting and people are complaining about that too.
Regards prize tables,personally I think a fair spread of cash is best.if I catch a 3lb fish there's no way I'm weighing it in and waiting 3-4 hours for a Grey's fish bag or rig wallet!
 
157 fished the sluice last year with small boundaries and all I got was "Micky" why small boundaries you need to open them!!!!?
 
A few random thoughts:

25 years ago it was £7 to enter the Seaham Open. First prize was £1000 and we would have well over 1000 anglers enter. In about 1988 IIRC we extended the boundary south to Horden (north boundary was the Hall caves) as it was shoulder to shoulder all the way down. In those days the mines were still open and the winner could come from anywhere plus the cliff marks were 100 yards from the sea due to the colliery spoil.

The biggest competition in the country was the Feedex down in Humberside. Boundaries were Hornsea to Paull and the 1st prize was £3000. You would usually get a couple of thousand fishing it.

It seems to me (having lived out of the area for over 20 years) that these days there are more competitions chasing fewer anglers. Prize money has stayed the same in 25 years, what has changed is the advent of prize tables - instead of a top 6 - 10 and thats it all must now have prizes. Also the closing of the mines has tilted the playing field away from the lucky angler to the one who knows / gets to the prime spot thus putting a lot of "have a go" punters off. Maybe this is why the Northumbrian open boundaries are so big - to give more people a chance to get onto a productive mark rather than the early / select few?
 
i think the bounderies are fine but if there fishing with them that size you have to grt a verage time from the furthest mark away and adjust the weigh in time giving the lads the same amount of time and no mad rush i know people will say the weigh in is long enough but they cant make the bounderies that big then penalise the lads fishing them
 
I'd be very interested to hear people's opinions on this as well, having just about recovered from organising the Whitley open at the weekend:hallucine:. I tend to agree that the boundaries are getting a bit big - we're considering making the northern boundary perhaps Craster Harbour for next year, but there are so many things to consider. This year the tide wasn't particularly good, so many of the local marks wouldn't have uncovered properly, giving limited time to fish. By including some of the up-the-coast marks, at least you get the chance to fish the whole comp without having to move to far should you wish. Mind you, even finding a date for next year's comp isn't proving easy as once the clocks go back, the earliest low water on a weekend is around 9am and all the better tides fall midweek - and it'll get increasingly worse over the next few years.

Until two years ago we included the Tyne, up to the Ice house & the biggest gripe we used to hear was "you shouldn't have the river in, it puts so many off fishing..." etc. etc. and we had many people saying taking it out was the best thing we'd done. Then of course, we had those who liked to fish the river saying "why's the river not in any more..."

I remember fishing the Whitley Festival back in '79 when I was 15, when we had 400 out on the saturday & 680 on the sunday, all fishing between Tynemouth & Blyth piers. Every rock edge would be littered with anglers and some good catches would be had - there would probably have been 30-40 juniors and enough ladies to have their own trophy. These days though, I don't think we'll ever see numbers like that for a local open again, and it's all to easy to become one of those "Remember When's", sitting around lamenting the state of today's catches and events. It's certainly sad to see the lack of juniors at today's events.

Prizes? Personally, I'd be happy with the trophy & title of winner of any major open, and a couple of hundred quid would be a welcome bonus. There is the argument that huge prize money attracts the cheats - particularly a problem with the open-roving type event, although not such a problem in a pegged / cmr type match (although remember the fuss with last year's Penn League winner - they're not totally immune). Lots of people I know just consider the opens irrelevant these days and choose not to fish any of them.

Quite a lot of the hard-core club anglers I know will regularly get together and fish cash matches, the tenner-a-head type thing, with a simple percentage payout for 1st, 2nd & 3rd & usually something for the heaviest fish - so for these lads it's pretty much all or nothing as there are no supporting prizes, so I think the kudos/bragging rights and maybe a few quid are the attraction here. I always felt that the opens however should be more about rewarding more people for their effort - I'm not saying that a just-size whiting should be automatically rewarded with a new rod, but those more occasional anglers who've had to make do with a couple of bags of rag worm and are skilful/lucky enough to bag a few fish should get something.

Too many opens? Again, when I was younger, there were a few big opens that everyone looked forward to fishing - The Tynemouth, Whitley & Shiremoor in particular and the Whitley "Tetley All Nighter", fished over high down to low and up a bit from something like 10pm to 7am. That became the Evening Open, fished over 4 hours - more like an extended club comp. This year and last there have been two evening opens, and next year it looks like there'll be three, as well as the sunday opens. I'm beginning to think that there are just getting to be too many opens competing for fewer people who care...

What we've been trying to do is listen to the majority & keep as many people happy as possible, but as Micky has pointed out you simply can't please everybody. I'd say that most clubs do their best (and it nearly always falls to just one or two people within the club to do everything) and I'll be the first to admit we're not perfect, but we're trying!

Gary :)
 
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I think Gary is spot on. Personally, I hanker for the days of the small boundary's for the reasons that have been mentioned. I have stopped fishing the comps altogether now that I am retired, because of the costs. It's not just the entry fee's, it's fuel, collecting crab, which if you don't have, you are not competing, (in the Autumn comps) When the boundary's are small, it really is harder for the cheaters, as most people take mental notes of what is being caught around them etc: Top anglers don't want heaviest fish comps which some feel was brought on by people who would pool their fish.
Prizes! in the early days comps, most prizes were donated by the shops in and around the competition area, but in harder times and the growing number of comps, most shops etc: stopped giving, which I feel has led to the demise of attendances for those who were happy to be taking something home.
To sum it all up, "open" competitions have changed from something to look foreward too, to, is it the xxxxxxx comp already, errrr I'll see if I can be bothered.
 
i was thinking of entering the south shields open this weekend, but then i had a think, i will need some good bait, fresh crab? if i can get it, black lug or yellow tails just to stand a chance.
Then where would i fish. last year you had people practically camping out all night to get the "best spot".
If i do enter and manage to get a fish placed to get a prize, what the hell do i want a kettle or a microwave oven for, i would rather have tokens for fishing tackle or bait.
I have only been back in the sport for 18 month or so, all i want to do is fish, on Sunday it will have to be off a beach with some rag or lug supplied from my local bait supplier.

Is it worth me spending the extra tenna to hear that the usuall Joe Bloggs has won it from the usuall place.
 
I think Gary is spot on. Personally, I hanker for the days of the small boundary's for the reasons that have been mentioned. I have stopped fishing the comps altogether now that I am retired, because of the costs. It's not just the entry fee's, it's fuel, collecting crab, which if you don't have, you are not competing, (in the Autumn comps) When the boundary's are small, it really is harder for the cheaters, as most people take mental notes of what is being caught around them etc: Top anglers don't want heaviest fish comps which some feel was brought on by people who would pool their fish.
Prizes! in the early days comps, most prizes were donated by the shops in and around the competition area, but in harder times and the growing number of comps, most shops etc: stopped giving, which I feel has led to the demise of attendances for those who were happy to be taking something home.
To sum it all up, "open" competitions have changed from something to look foreward too, to, is it the xxxxxxx comp already, errrr I'll see if I can be bothered.


Couldn't agree more lack of prizes donated mean the club running the comp needs to spend more which in turn means higher entry fees, plus the cost of bait if you can't get out to collect it yourself ad the cost of travelling all make it an costly day out for some folk. Over the years i've heard many anglers who never missed a comp stop because of this.

I think the weather also has a lot to aswell constant flat seas produce less fish therefore more and more people aren't prepared to spend money buying or collecting bait to stand for 4hrs to not even get a bite or see any fish being landed let alone catch nothing, they'd rather keep thier bait and go out when the conditions are right and there's fish about which isn't very often these days.

Also in the 70's, 80's, 90's it was the non club/match anglers who made up the entry numbers, now it seems to be the club anglers and us old die hards that make up the numbers, i often wonder how the opens survive
 
157 fished the sluice last year with small boundaries and all I got was "Micky" why small boundaries you need to open them!!!!?

Micky if tynemouth-amble is considered small boundaries and they can't find a mark anywhere inbetween then they are talking nonsense.its got to be 25-30 miles of open coast that!
 
Personally, I think clubs have lost there Identity by increasing the boundaries in opens. IMO it should be similar to that of Club comp boundaries.

The lack of fish is why the turnouts are down as well. If there was plenty of fish people would be out fishing them. The problem, like whats been said has been the conditions.

For 2 years there hasn't been a sea running North of the Tyne in any Daytime opens. Flat seas, bright sunshine is IMO a lottery esp once the Red fish have been disturbed and gone. Nobody has a clue where 1 or 2 fish maybe thats why I just stay local and save on the fuel.

Camping out on marks North Side isn't an issue unless you take your scuba gear!
 
How many times in open comps that i've arrived at a river, or rock mark where I have had to travel quite a few miles to get there, just to find that rods are all in position by some groups of anglers, while one of them is away getting their tickets, or they've been there for hours with tickets bought the day before at their local tackle shops.
I think the whole comp scene really does need an overhaul if they are to survive well into the future.
This is just my opinion for what it's worth.
 
You've also got to consider that there are lads travelling from the likes of Scarborough & Cumbria just to fish Opens up here - they've probably put more miles in just to get here than many of us will cover fishing three or four Opens on our own doorstep.

When you look at the boundaries fished by the different local clubs as well, it seems there is a great variety to choose from. I'm quite happy fishing two clubs with probably the smallest boundaries of any clubs; in the case of Whitley it's essentially Blyth to the Government jetty in the Tyne and in the case of South Beach it's the Ice House to Church point at Newbiggin (although the boundaries go up to Creswell in the case of a few longer sunday matches). However, turnouts for the Whitley matches these days are rarely into double figures. Other clubs fish from right up the Tyne to as far north as Amble and Bedlington for example fish as far north as Craster in their club matches. It's interesting to note from their club results that they get around 25 turning out - so maybe lads are prepared to put in a lot more miles to fish their club-matches these days?

Gary :)
 
How many times in open comps that i've arrived at a river, or rock mark where I have had to travel quite a few miles to get there, just to find that rods are all in position by some groups of anglers, while one of them is away getting their tickets, or they've been there for hours with tickets bought the day before at their local tackle shops.
I think the whole comp scene really does need an overhaul if they are to survive well into the future.
This is just my opinion for what it's worth.

This is my sentiments exactly.
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How many times in open comps that i've arrived at a river, or rock mark where I have had to travel quite a few miles to get there, just to find that rods are all in position by some groups of anglers, while one of them is away getting their tickets, or they've been there for hours with tickets bought the day before at their local tackle shops.
I think the whole comp scene really does need an overhaul if they are to survive well into the future.
This is just my opinion for what it's worth.

It's one of the reasons I'm considering giving Shields a miss. Everyone is either camped out in the Tyne or on the pier.
It's the same at Seaham a few anglers camped out on the top shots. It's about time the matches down there were zoned or pegged. It wouldn't be too difficult especially horden. Some matches have attracted the gang mentality, a few mates huddled together to stop anyone getting in. 5yd rules only make matters worse and lead to arguments.
I don't really like to be forced to fish in certain spots in pegged matches but at least its fair and about angling ability. Tynemouth club seem to be doing well especially the retired member's matches. Peanuts to enter, good competition and everyone seems to have a good time, its not about money.
 
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