Experience

Charlton said:
This is what you actually said

3 or 4 big green walls of water crashed over the neck end, up to 3ft deep. Now it wasn't really nothing to get scared about for me personally, as they were very rare in coming over. However, there was a couple of inexperienced lads there who were a bit shocked by it all.

lets just take another scenario, these walls of watre are infrequent, you are safe on the end, your mobile goes, your lass or one of the kids has hurt himself, you wait for a gap, off you go in your hurry you slip crack your head, damage a leg. Before you get up the next green wall comes, you are not going home to see if they are alright, they are identifying you in the morgue. This is how accidents happen the unexpected, like a rogue wave, they might only happen one in a couple of thousand times and you may never encouter it, hiope you don't, but why take the chance.

I am saying nowt more otherwise the longest serving member of this site will be getting expelled.
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That scenario could happen on any open sea mark on this coast. You, yourself must have fished marks around the whitley bay area on your own, in the dark at low water. What would have happened to you if you'd tripped and damaged your leg while casting?

You can make all sorts of scenarios up to fit any situation.

My initial post merely pointed out that someone with no experience of sea conditions whatsoever had deemed it safe to open the gates to the pier.

The 'crime' I'm being lambasted for is for actually daring to actually highlight it, and than have the audacity to tell everyone that I walked through an open gate on a pier and post a report of sea conditions.

I've learnt my lesson though from the longest serving member of the board. My reports (if any) will contain the location, date and fish caught - nothing else.

Alan, you know my email if you want to say something to me that you're scared may get you banned from the board.
 
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Just received this email from Mr Charlton.

Davy, I'm sorry. Please keep posting your reports as I get paid by the word in the journal, and without your reports of all the fish you catch, the grandbairn won't get any xmas pressies
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;)
 
Davyred said:
He's a liar. That old fella was fishing next to me. I packed up at 2am and he said he was stopping cos he had a load of bait left and didn't want to waste it - he was stopping till it ran out.

He was one of the blokes panicking.

I walked off at high water, and it was calming down all the time.
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lying old twat davie eh ,next time ya see him give him a good talking to matey :D;)
 
have thoroughly enjoyed this post gents and i can see exactly where you're BOTH coming from. I'm inexperienced and am the first to admit it but personally....................no, i'll stay on the fence:D


seriously though, to every one out there, before you put ya self at risk for 'the big fish' (however clued up you 'THINK' you are), remember it's not just your life your putting in the balance


dicky, health and safety dept
 
Been a while since I posted on here but felt I had to make a comment about this.........

What's the Council got to do with it??.......seems that these days everybody and his dog is wanting to blame their respective councils for everything - and if there's a chance of a claim against them, all the more so. The pier at roker is owned and managed by the Port Authority - it's private land and NOT owned by the Sunderland City Council......The pier at South Shields is owned and maintained by the Port of Tyne Authority and is private land, again - NOT owned by the local authority. So just to make this clear - neither pier is owned by their respective local authorities - they belong to private concerns - the councils do not maintain the piers - the councils do not employ the pier watchmen - the council basically have NO responsibility for the piers.

As Mark said:
".......but if you go down the pier and get washed off do you blame the council for not locking the gate?? or do you blame the angler for freely going into a dangerous environment.
But you can see some eejit who goes down when its patently obvious that its dangerous to do so, gets injured, and cries 'its the coonsil's folt' and tries to sue them for damages"

Put another way.......if you leave your front gate open, is that an invitation for somebody to walk down your path?.....and if they do - and then fall or trip, who's responsible?? them? for walking down your path?........you for leaving your gate open??.......no - lol - it's probably the Councils fault....lol.


Second point: Title of this topic is "experience"....lol...Yeah - right......tell that to the sea......and the lifeboat crews family !


Remember why NESA started raising funds for the RNLI??.......here's a reminder........this is what kicked off the sites' fund raising for the RNLI:

Northern Echo Jan 4th 2003...

"AN angler killed after a wave swept him off a pier was last night named as Stephen Garnett.

Forty-five-year-old Mr Garnett was one of three people who were fishing at the Northumberland port of Amble when weather deteriorated on Thursday afternoon.

The others managed to get clear of the pier, but Mr Garnett is understood to have been packing up his equipment when he was swept away in an area known as the Triangle, by a high wave.

He was eventually winched from the sea by a rescue helicopter from RAF Boulmer, in Northumberland, but he was confirmed dead on arrival at hospital in Ashington.

An inshore lifeboat, which was scrambled within minutes, capsized during the rescue and three crew members were injured before being rescued.

Two of the lifeboat crew suffered broken limbs and one of them was kept overnight in hospital before being released yesterday.

Lifeboat spokesman Derek Goggins said the vessel was a write-off and would have to be replaced."

I-along with several others from this site, visited Amble lifeboat station and watched the official RNLI video of the rescue attempt - FRIGHTENING stuff, which aside from resulting in the anglers death, resulted in several members of the lifeboat crew being hospitalised.

This was an angler with "experience". The sea has no respect for "experience" !
 
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TC ,I guess that was aimed at me as i mentioned the council

i based my naming of the council on this
portofsunderland.org.uk

in which it states on there own web site that they are owned by the city of sunderland council (see paragraph 5 i think it is )


i did not have a go at them just stated my thought on what would or could happen

ps my dogs like the council too :)
 
"illegal fishing marks....right or wrong! .............if the pier is open obviously it isnt illegal to fish there as you quoted in your original post.....whe "roker pier" is open in conditions like you said..then that is a different ball game if you get washed off...the whole meaning of my original post was "illegal" marks....meaning i.e if roker pier was closed...."doesnt matter the reason"
and dayyred i wasnt chastising you...i only mentioned because you admitted fishing there in dangerous conditions therefore making a you risk for people like the R.N.L.I

fish safe
 
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Hahaha, Baz - no m8, it wasn't aimed at you at all :rolleyes:
Over many years, this business of culpability has come up many times and each time, the local council gets the stick for "mismanagement" of the piers - both Roker and South Shields (and I dare say several others, too). To be honest, I can really only speak for that at South Shields....it IS owned and managed by the PTA.....the Council do not own, nor maintain it.....I dare say that the PTA does recieve an element of funding from South Tyneside Council (as I suspect Sunderland City do likewise to their Port Authority.
 
TC, the only reason I mentioned that it was up to Sunderland council is that its the council offices (deparment of leisure) that you ring to ask if its open, and the bloke comes down in a council van.
 
For me it;s totally the responsibility of the induvidiual to decide wether or not to go out when the conditions are dangerous, me if i have the smallest shadow of doubt in my mind about safety then i won't fish that mark, but if people want to endanger thier own lives there's nothing you can do to stop them if they are determind enough ,just like mountaineers climing up thge side of a moutain in the middle of winter ,pothholers ,round the world yachtmen, scuba divers ect ect .its their choice its what they want to do simple as that.
 
Its good that these safety threads create a bit of "discussion" as it may just stick in peoples minds the next time they're about to fish a mark & are in two minds whether it's too dangerous are not.

I was fishing Whitley Pipe for a couple of hours on Friday night & there were two lads passed me on the way to the end. Did'nt know if they were experienced or not but I mentioned to watch out for the swells from the South Easterly behind them. Might have thought I was a Kn*b but at least it was said & they were aware of it. If you know the place & someones passing you etc, its worth mentioning the risks on the off chance that person doesn't know the area & conditions
 
T.C. said:
Northern Echo Jan 4th 2003...

"AN angler killed after a wave swept him off a pier was last night named as Stephen Garnett.

Forty-five-year-old Mr Garnett was one of three people who were fishing at the Northumberland port of Amble when weather deteriorated on Thursday afternoon.

The others managed to get clear of the pier, but Mr Garnett is understood to have been packing up his equipment when he was swept away in an area known as the Triangle, by a high wave.

He was eventually winched from the sea by a rescue helicopter from RAF Boulmer, in Northumberland, but he was confirmed dead on arrival at hospital in Ashington.

An inshore lifeboat, which was scrambled within minutes, capsized during the rescue and three crew members were injured before being rescued.

Two of the lifeboat crew suffered broken limbs and one of them was kept overnight in hospital before being released yesterday.

Lifeboat spokesman Derek Goggins said the vessel was a write-off and would have to be replaced."

I-along with several others from this site, visited Amble lifeboat station and watched the official RNLI video of the rescue attempt - FRIGHTENING stuff, which aside from resulting in the anglers death, resulted in several members of the lifeboat crew being hospitalised.

This was an angler with "experience". The sea has no respect for "experience" !
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Derek actually used to be the our Sector Manager for the Coastguard and was based in Amble (fantastic man, always got stroies to tell), and I remember him mentioning this incident during my training, as well as obviously seeing it on the news and it was horrendous.
Derek actually asked me as a sea angler, to liase with anglers and tackle shops on a number of issues, that he thought could potentially save lives, this being one of them.

as the quote says:This was an angler with "experience". The sea has no respect for "experience"
 
does anyone know if there is a phone no to see if the pier is open or not,as i have traveled there numerous times,sea conditions ok to go on but gates are closed,if there is such a number it would be easier to check before hand than to travel than find closed when you arrive.
 
silent striker said:
does anyone know if there is a phone no to see if the pier is open or not,as i have traveled there numerous times,sea conditions ok to go on but gates are closed,if there is such a number it would be easier to check before hand than to travel than find closed when you arrive.
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0191 5532828 department of events and resorts

By the way, tried ringing them all day monday to see if they'd open the pier (sea was flat)....no answer, so left a message.

To be fair to them, they rang me today to tell me they were all on a training course, which is absolutely no good at all for my codling tally;)
 

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