I.D.Cards.
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cant see anything wrong with them if youve got nowt to hide BUT it would depend on what information is going to be included on them ie if there the chipped type,theres also the £££ side of it are you going to have to pay for the privalige of being under big brothers eye,while criminals and others get them for free ??.lots of pluses and minuses for these cards ,would be nice to have an id card for the off licence for when they refuse to serve me for looking so young 
?and on the same note under age drinkers smokers would be put paid to,no id no booze etc,like i say depends whats to be held on the card info wise ???
?and on the same note under age drinkers smokers would be put paid to,no id no booze etc,like i say depends whats to be held on the card info wise ???Hello Bri mate.
In theory, I havent got a problem with them. the only objection I have is having to fork out for them !. I might be wrong but I havent seen it stated that the cost of the card will be a one-off payment. I hope they havent got any nasty plans to charge us on an annual basis or whatever. On one side of the coin you could say that we already carry them in the form of driving licences and passports but not everybody drives or goes abroad for their hols so I can see the point there. I would have thought that the cost per person would already have been covered but there again why miss a chance to squeeze MORE money out of us.
cheers Bri.
gag1
In theory, I havent got a problem with them. the only objection I have is having to fork out for them !. I might be wrong but I havent seen it stated that the cost of the card will be a one-off payment. I hope they havent got any nasty plans to charge us on an annual basis or whatever. On one side of the coin you could say that we already carry them in the form of driving licences and passports but not everybody drives or goes abroad for their hols so I can see the point there. I would have thought that the cost per person would already have been covered but there again why miss a chance to squeeze MORE money out of us.
cheers Bri.
gag1
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Ell
Guest
Bollocks to ID Cards - I\'ve said it before ...If you\'ve nowt to hide no reason for an ID Card. Outrageous abuse of civil liberties. Fuck em
well the way i see it is if they want to make us have them (compulsary) then they should foot the bill if its voluntary then whoever wants one should pay ,like i said it depends what info is on the card ,simple photo name adress DOB then yes great but if its to contain personal info ie NI number then id have to say no as certain information has nothing to do with proving who you are and another thing whos to say they arnt going to be easy to reproduce so you could end up with a load of fake ids kicking about,its probably something they havent thought about like most there half baked plans
Chris_Hughes
Well-known member
The current proposal from government is that we will have to pay for these ID cards. Listen Tony et al, the public will not embrace anything which they will have to pay for, this will come back and bite you hard unless you change your thinking.
mark
Well-known member
don\'t get me going on this one......
I\'ll be up on the barricades and will go to the chokey for my refusal to have/carry one
£85 a pop for what?? Fuck em fuck em fuck em
If you let this one through there will virtually no area of our civil liberties that is out of reach to them
read the RIP act 2000 and the new data protection act 2002 and be very very afraid
fight it till the death, revolt and burn parliament do not let em get away with it
I\'ll get off the fence now and take me medicine
I\'ll be up on the barricades and will go to the chokey for my refusal to have/carry one
£85 a pop for what?? Fuck em fuck em fuck em
If you let this one through there will virtually no area of our civil liberties that is out of reach to them
read the RIP act 2000 and the new data protection act 2002 and be very very afraid
fight it till the death, revolt and burn parliament do not let em get away with it
I\'ll get off the fence now and take me medicine
mark
Well-known member
in OberLeutenant Furher Blunkett\'s eyes (think aboout it) we are all potential terrorists. His proposal wants a retina scan, finger print, and NI with and I quote \"other Bio-metric data\"
lets cut the spin and just say dna info ultimately. The Criminal Justice Bill has already given any copper the power to stop anyone an request a saliva swab for DNA profiling
I had need to go to the Civic Centre a few months ago as I needed a copy of my birth certificate and there was a couple of people there taking part in the trial for the ID cards. I was asked if I wanted to take part and I thought why not. The whole thing is painless and took no more than 5 minutes. They take a photo of you....then you have to sit and look at a bunch of lines on a mirror for about a minute while they take the retinal scan and the fingert print is done on a small black scannery kind of thing.....
I am with Sless on this one.....If you have got nowt to hide then fine and dandy get it done a put it in ya wallet. And on a more personal note having the ID card would make my life a lot easier for work instead of asking people for a passport and driving license and whatever other forms of id they have because more often than not they always forget them when they come for their exams and if people are made to carry them then I do not get shouted at by irate builders and bankers when I send them away to go and get it.
I am with Sless on this one.....If you have got nowt to hide then fine and dandy get it done a put it in ya wallet. And on a more personal note having the ID card would make my life a lot easier for work instead of asking people for a passport and driving license and whatever other forms of id they have because more often than not they always forget them when they come for their exams and if people are made to carry them then I do not get shouted at by irate builders and bankers when I send them away to go and get it.
E
Ell
Guest
This nothing to hide argument does not wash. What is and is not acceptable or lawful changes over time. Something you take for granted today ... for example the right of free association (unless you\'re listening to repetitive beats or demonstrating against animal cruelty) may be outlawed or deemed unacceptable later on down the line. Fox hunting is a great example, pre-ban nothing to hide ............post-ban your a criminal.
Are these cards going to tackle Tax Evasion and White collar fraud, FAR more costly to us than benefit scams. Are they going to be used to track down people entitled to benefits but who are not claiming due to the deliberatly obscure and humiliating process you have to go through to get what you\'re entitled to. A massive amount of unclaimed money. Answer is NO FUCKING WAY
Are these cards going to tackle Tax Evasion and White collar fraud, FAR more costly to us than benefit scams. Are they going to be used to track down people entitled to benefits but who are not claiming due to the deliberatly obscure and humiliating process you have to go through to get what you\'re entitled to. A massive amount of unclaimed money. Answer is NO FUCKING WAY
this is what im against ,never have i had my fingerprints taken and dont see why i should all the more so if ive got to pay £85 for the pleasure of having something that amounts to the same as a criminal record all be it without the crime
these cards are going to contain info that has nothing to do with who i am (for id reasons) big brother already has access to more information than it has a right to why not just bar code us and be done with it,i thought we lived in a democrisy not a prison state :casstet: smoking drinking id cards ,theyl put us in chains befor long
mark
Well-known member
don\'t delude yourself. this country is anything but democratic.
at the next election, if I decide to employ a bunch of \'heavies\' to stand at every polling station and ring every individual up and coerce, threaten black mail or bribe individuals to vote how I want them would you call that democratic???
probably not
yet in the \'mother of all parliaments\' when there is a vote, MP\'s are put to all the above by party whips to force them into voting the way the party leader wants. disagree and your political career is over. Why shoul it be ok for MP\'s to do it in parliament and not me to do it at polling stations.
voting is not even by secret ballot anymore. they know how you vote
every polling card has a barcode and number on ti which is scanned when counted. each number is unique to the name on the ballot papers. QED they know how you vote
our civil liberties are diminsihing al the time
the ID card thing is Tyranny by Stealth (copyright title for my next book BTW) over the last 5 years it has been made more and more difficult to do anything without photo ID, little by little we are being required more and more to carry this info, so it\'ll get to the point where the majority will just say \"Its just easier to have the card\"
but the question should be why are being demanded to prove who we are more and more, the answer is control
sless
Moderator
For generations one of the best sea angling venues in the North West has been in Liverpool docks.
So, when access restrictions were placed on anglers under the auspices of national security and the war against terror, there was an outcry, particularly as these measures seemed to be aimed mainly at restricting anglers whilst allowing free access to other visitors.
Now two lads fishing have been formally charged under legislation designed to counter the terrosist threat to this country.
So, when access restrictions were placed on anglers under the auspices of national security and the war against terror, there was an outcry, particularly as these measures seemed to be aimed mainly at restricting anglers whilst allowing free access to other visitors.
Now two lads fishing have been formally charged under legislation designed to counter the terrosist threat to this country.
Chris_Hughes
Well-known member
What\'s the guarantee on these cards, any card I get from the bank last about 6 months in my wallet before the electronics/magnetic gubbins are jiggered - I think it\'s that personal magnetism that I emit that screws them up.
I am still on the fence with this one, but leaning away from the ID cards as currently proposed. Biometric information is personal as is other data and should not be available for any agent of the state to peruse because of suspicion of a crime or just downright noseyness. On the other hand any mechanism that can help solve crime without mistake is a plus.
Possibly a way forward is for externally the ID card to show no more than a picture, name, DoB, person ID\' In the electronics, the card can hold additional personal information but all encrypted and no data would be held on a central database other than what is on the outside of the card. You would also have a second card which is the key to the encryption on the main ID card. You would keep this encryption card in a safe place separate to the main card. If the police pull you in and need to know more about you, then they would need a magistrates warrant to demand the second card. Any misuse or illicit obtaining of the key would be a serious crime with prison sentences to the perpetrators and substantial compensation to the victim. Hopefully this would stop misuse of the system and the central database would not hold much more information about you than big brother knows already.
Whatever solution is chosen it has to be free issue.
I am still on the fence with this one, but leaning away from the ID cards as currently proposed. Biometric information is personal as is other data and should not be available for any agent of the state to peruse because of suspicion of a crime or just downright noseyness. On the other hand any mechanism that can help solve crime without mistake is a plus.
Possibly a way forward is for externally the ID card to show no more than a picture, name, DoB, person ID\' In the electronics, the card can hold additional personal information but all encrypted and no data would be held on a central database other than what is on the outside of the card. You would also have a second card which is the key to the encryption on the main ID card. You would keep this encryption card in a safe place separate to the main card. If the police pull you in and need to know more about you, then they would need a magistrates warrant to demand the second card. Any misuse or illicit obtaining of the key would be a serious crime with prison sentences to the perpetrators and substantial compensation to the victim. Hopefully this would stop misuse of the system and the central database would not hold much more information about you than big brother knows already.
Whatever solution is chosen it has to be free issue.
