I am not against ID cards in fact i am all for every person in the country and entering the country even on holiday having one and even giving a sample of their DNA. But two Q spring to mind, what if you do not buy one & if the Governement wants everyone to have one why do they not pay for them.
I.D. Cards
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Charlie_Thompson
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We already have ID cards and pay for them. Why do we need these new and improved ones (\"Oh my passport isn\'t worth the paper it\'s printed on Officer, sorry about that it\'s got the queens name on it and all that. What? You think my photo driving licence that matches up with the info on your foolproof computer isn\'t sufficient to identify me as the driver of this vehicle\")
Tish and Piffle to the new and improved ID cards
Tish and Piffle to the new and improved ID cards
i dont want one and i aint paying for one
i have a driving licence/passport /NI card ,more than enough ID,i look in the mirror every morning and i know who i am and what ive done or havent done
why should i give them my fingerprints ,blood sample and retinal print ?
have i commited a crime ? no,whatever happened to human rights ?have i not got the right to say no i dont want an id card ?most likely not just like i wont have the right to smoke in public ,like i said where will it end
i have a driving licence/passport /NI card ,more than enough ID,i look in the mirror every morning and i know who i am and what ive done or havent done
why should i give them my fingerprints ,blood sample and retinal print ?
have i commited a crime ? no,whatever happened to human rights ?have i not got the right to say no i dont want an id card ?most likely not just like i wont have the right to smoke in public ,like i said where will it end
sorry Bri i would gladly give a sample of my dna for a data bankand i think everyone should just think the innoccent would have nothing to fear and if anybody committed a crime simply check the dna and they would be caught. Must be awful having someone close murdered and there being no chance of them being caught. Just hopefully in a momment of madness i dont do anything silly, even then if i did i deserve to be punished. I am one of those that think that a dna data base would certainly cut crime or at least improve catch rates. The human rights arguement does not wear with me i am afraid.
Sommerfields have a good deal on at the minute 
Tadpoleman
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He He He He ......... neva a truer word spoken !!!!
isn`t that right Sixfoot !!!!!??????????
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isn`t that right Sixfoot !!!!!??????????
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Charlie_Thompson
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Alan, this definiton of crime has fuzzy edges. Us lot know what real crimes are, Robbery, Mugging, Random acts of violence, criminal damage, threatening and bullying behaviour, sexual abuse and the rest. ID cards would have little or no effect on this IMO. It\'s the crimes created by politicians that we have to worry about. A few years ago it was an accepted right that workers could strike and show solidarity with colleagues in general. It is now illegal through an act of Parliament and you are now a criminal for doing something that at one time was almost the duty of all working people. It is now illegal for more than 6 people (?) to gather together and listen to repetitive beats on land not licensed for the purpose. A situation caused by a bit of irresponsible behaviour in the early 90\'s but now enshrined in law. A crime in general is something that is deemed to be unnaceptable by the state. We believe it\'s criminal that people are allowed to ring us up at all times of day and night with fraudulent offers of cheap stuff. It\'s criminal that very wealthy and above ground companies can spam our e-mail boxes with offensive garbage etc. etc. etc. But it\'s not against the law. Laws change, the info on our cards or data they hold on us doesn\'t.
willywetegg
Administrator
Great question Alan. However My question would have been Why are we going to be FORCED to buy them and what happens if we don\'t.
Jim.
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TC
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\"I am not against ID cards in fact i am all for every person in the country and entering the country even on holiday having one.......\"
Sorry Alan, but I\'ve got to disagree.
Basically, what the Govt are wanting to introduce in a licence to exist.
It\'s not like a TV licence.......you can chose to have a TV or not.
It\'s not like a driving licence......you can chose to drive or not
The proposal that EVERYONE living in this country MUST have one AND pay to have one, is nothing less than a mandatory licence to have the right to exist.
So what about the Govts\' assertion that the proposed ID cards are a way of cracking down on terrorism?........utter garbage. They have hyped up the \"threat\" of terrorism to smooth the way for the ID card introduction. Remember the \"imminent danger\" we were in of having Iraqi nukes, etc land on us in a matter of minutes?.......... what nukes?........????
Seems to me that this Govt relies on whipping up the country into a frenzy over \"imminent danger\" of terrorist attack to make us believe that what they are doing is right and for our protection.
It also seems to me that it is our OWN devious, dictatorial and power crazy Govt. we need protecting from.
[Edited on 1/7/2005 by TC]
Sorry Alan, but I\'ve got to disagree.
Basically, what the Govt are wanting to introduce in a licence to exist.
It\'s not like a TV licence.......you can chose to have a TV or not.
It\'s not like a driving licence......you can chose to drive or not
The proposal that EVERYONE living in this country MUST have one AND pay to have one, is nothing less than a mandatory licence to have the right to exist.
So what about the Govts\' assertion that the proposed ID cards are a way of cracking down on terrorism?........utter garbage. They have hyped up the \"threat\" of terrorism to smooth the way for the ID card introduction. Remember the \"imminent danger\" we were in of having Iraqi nukes, etc land on us in a matter of minutes?.......... what nukes?........????
Seems to me that this Govt relies on whipping up the country into a frenzy over \"imminent danger\" of terrorist attack to make us believe that what they are doing is right and for our protection.
It also seems to me that it is our OWN devious, dictatorial and power crazy Govt. we need protecting from.
[Edited on 1/7/2005 by TC]
Mike.Haley
Well-known member
I.D. cards will not stop terrorism. The last terrorist that was caught had four different types of identification cards from three diffwerent countries in his posession yet he was only caught by accident when the police raided a house in London. The biggest threat to this country is Tony Blair and His marster George Bush.
Davyred
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Have a look at the reasons for an ID card... to cut crime, fight terrorism and illegal immigration amongst others.
This country has become far too soft. If it wasn\'t, we\'d have no problems with illegal immigration, car thieves, \'hoodies\', etc etc.
Its about time this country ditched its \'PC\' outlook - the Trafalgar anniversary during the week summed this country up. We didn\'t want to upset France or Spain, so it had to be the Reds against the Blues Bollocks! Do you think France or Spain would have gave a toss if it was the other way round!?! It\'s our history and heritage, we should be shouting it from the rooftops, showing the world what a great nation we USED to be.
We are run by little cowards who haven\'t got the balls to stand up and fight for the REAL values the majority of this country wants.
A 109 year old Royal Navy vet of WW1 and WW2, who was at the Trafalgar celebration, said this in the paper yesterday....
\"Its important to tell people what the navy has done for everyone. We stopped Napoleon, the Kaiser and Hitler. People wouldn\'t be living life as they do if it wasn\'t for the navy\".
This poor bloke, and all the other veterans of wars this country has fought in, must wonder what this country has become - what the hell did they fight for???
Get Hard with criminals, get hard with immigration and get this country its self respect back.
[Edited on 1/7/2005 by Davyred]
[Edited on 1/7/2005 by Davyred]
This country has become far too soft. If it wasn\'t, we\'d have no problems with illegal immigration, car thieves, \'hoodies\', etc etc.
Its about time this country ditched its \'PC\' outlook - the Trafalgar anniversary during the week summed this country up. We didn\'t want to upset France or Spain, so it had to be the Reds against the Blues Bollocks! Do you think France or Spain would have gave a toss if it was the other way round!?! It\'s our history and heritage, we should be shouting it from the rooftops, showing the world what a great nation we USED to be.
We are run by little cowards who haven\'t got the balls to stand up and fight for the REAL values the majority of this country wants.
A 109 year old Royal Navy vet of WW1 and WW2, who was at the Trafalgar celebration, said this in the paper yesterday....
\"Its important to tell people what the navy has done for everyone. We stopped Napoleon, the Kaiser and Hitler. People wouldn\'t be living life as they do if it wasn\'t for the navy\".
This poor bloke, and all the other veterans of wars this country has fought in, must wonder what this country has become - what the hell did they fight for???
Get Hard with criminals, get hard with immigration and get this country its self respect back.
[Edited on 1/7/2005 by Davyred]
[Edited on 1/7/2005 by Davyred]
Mike.Haley
Well-known member
I think you,ve hit the nail on the head there Dave.
I dont have a problem with the ID card idea but I dont agree that you have to pay for them.I think the people against ID cards would soon change there minds if there was a massive terrorist attack on the UK,it could happen and maybe it will one day,I would sooner have big brother watching me than some faceless Tw#t wiping out thousands of UK citizens,thats includes my family and yours btw,nuff said :exclam:
