Illegal fishing marks...right or wrong?

As someone who's fished all his life in the Sunderland area, I've done more than my fair share of 'trespassing', whether it be Hendon docks, the South Pier, or Roker pier when its been shut.

I can understand lowriders point of view regarding putting others at risk, just because you want to catch a fish from somewhere you shouldn't be.

Myself and Mick65 regularly used to run off Roker pier at high water during big seas - not the safest thing to do, I accept, but a lot of thought and research went into our fishing sessions. We'd analyse the weather forecast, particularly wind strength and direction, and what we also learnt was that there were a cycle of wave heights that hit the pier. Whether you believe this or not is up to you, but it never once failed us.

e were only ever caught out once. We went on at Low water as per normal, but by half tide, we knew this sea was bigger than it should have been, so got off straightaway. We returned to the pier at high water to see the roundhead regularly getting swamped. Experience had saved us. When we got back, we looked into how that sea had been bigger than expected, and learnt from it.

My point is, there are a lot of inexperienced anglers out there who really haven't a clue - we've all seen them. These are the people we should be worried about. The trouble nowadays is the internet is a mine of information. If you want information on a mark, you do a search, ask the question on a forum, and the answers there. But how do you get information about how the sea is affected by different wind strengths/directions against different stages of the tide? You have to get out there and do your homework, like myself and countless numbers of older anglers have done through the years. Unfortunately, in these days of 'I want it now', that doesn't happen anymore.

I'll continue to fish from Roker, the South and Hendon as I've done it all my life, but I won't risk my life to do it.
SPOT ON MATE <i worry about the inexperienced getting caught out reading some of the out of bounds places ,once your there and it changes its to late ya fooked,SOME FOLK dont realise what a good sea along with a bit wind or big tide can do :confused:
 
worst i have seen was to a mate on hendon prom, we had been fishing there when at high water this extra big wave went up, covered him and soaked him, like a drowned rat he came to me to see if i had any spare gear in the car, i did as luck had it, he goes back to his box he had been sitting on then shouts me, hes holding a rock the size of a basket ball that had appeared next to his box from the wave, you dont need to be washed off to end up dead
 
worst i have seen was to a mate on hendon prom,holding a rock the size of a basket ball that had appeared next to his box from the wave, you dont need to be washed off to end up dead

never ever seen rocks that big like if so i wudnt even attempt driving down there ,but in my time fishing there on a big massive sea never wud i go on the bottom part the car park yes
 
to all you who say they will continue fishing what could be described as dangerous in certain conditions, remeber the guy who has rescued a few anglers and could well rescue you, could well be my son Mark, if anything happens to him rescueing a irresponsible angler you had better keep your head down for a long time. Safe fishing lads.
 
Well said Alan. Any angler, Inexperienced or otherwise who risks his own life or anyone elses( those who have to rescue them ) should be banned from fishing for life. It was not inexperienced anglers that were lost off Tynemouth pier. Those lads had been fishing that spot for years. Even the most experienced and responsible angler can have an accident.
Being a Safety Manager I deal with accidents on a daily basis.
Most accidents involve " experienced " people. Familiarity breeds contempt. Because they have been doing it for a long time, they get the idea that nothing can happen to them because they are " experienced ". Well it doesnt work that way. The only way to avoid any accidents is to do as you are told. If a sign says " Keep Out " then keep out. If it says " Fishing Prohibited " then dont fish.
sqafe Fishingt Lads
Just obey the rules and laws.
 
was at roker pier sunday bit of a swell on seen a young lad bait up on the floor bang wave came over the top and covered him there were boxes and bags all over they closed the pier an hour later
 
It doesn't necessarily have to be the piers that can be described as dangerous. I have fished marks, where I have watched lads fishing 30-40 yards in front of me on a skeer, when all of a sudden one of those waves (they come more often then you think on a big swell) came over the top of them and washed their boxes and bait away. Of course me standing right back with my bait and tackle box further back was quite safe.If they slipped when that wave came in what are the odds of them being pulled out to sea also?

I have watched lads wading out to marks as the tide ebbs, up to the top of their chest waders. One slip and what do they think would happen?

I do know of one lad who used to fish in the Alnwick club who went under with his tackle box on his back, and somehow was pulled out alive, and am aware of a number of incidents involving anglers not being aware or being negligent of the risks in my area alone.

As Alan says it's people like his son on the Lifeboats ,Coastguard Rescue Teams and the RAF who are likely to put their lives at risk to get these people out of a situation that could have been avoided!
 
was at roker pier sunday bit of a swell on seen a young lad bait up on the floor bang wave came over the top and covered him there were boxes and bags all over they closed the pier an hour later

i seen that too he had just come down as well. i got down about 1.15pm and it was flat within a couple of hours it was big and the pier was a wash.
 
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Well said Alan. Any angler, Inexperienced or otherwise who risks his own life or anyone elses( those who have to rescue them ) should be banned from fishing for life. It was not inexperienced anglers that were lost off Tynemouth pier. Those lads had been fishing that spot for years. Even the most experienced and responsible angler can have an accident.
Being a Safety Manager I deal with accidents on a daily basis.
Most accidents involve " experienced " people. Familiarity breeds contempt. Because they have been doing it for a long time, they get the idea that nothing can happen to them because they are " experienced ". Well it doesnt work that way. The only way to avoid any accidents is to do as you are told. If a sign says " Keep Out " then keep out. If it says " Fishing Prohibited " then dont fish.
sqafe Fishingt Lads
Just obey the rules and laws.

I partly agree with what you're saying Mike, however my point is Sunderland South Pier was closed to the public due to the acts of individuals wandering around the dock estate, so how does that make the mark unsafe? Hendon Wall was deemed 'unsafe' as it had no railings, yet you go a couple of miles down the coast and you have Seaham pier:o - the only difference being two different port authorities.
 
matchman i think you are totally missing the piont...the marks were mentioned because they are dangerous to fish i.e illegal,prohibited,unsafe...for what reason doesnt matter

it has nothing to do with what we eat, drink or had a pass for in the 80's

you wont be getting knocked up out of bed to risk your life and rescue anyone from these marks this winter.

the marks are much more productive in adverse weather i.e northerlies etc. so people climb through and over fences and put themselves and others in danger to catch there "big fish" and it will result in injury sooner rather than later.

keep safe....bc
 
matchman i think you are totally missing the piont...the marks were mentioned because they are dangerous to fish i.e illegal,prohibited,unsafe...for what reason doesnt matter

it has nothing to do with what we eat, drink or had a pass for in the 80's

you wont be getting knocked up out of bed to risk your life and rescue anyone from these marks this winter.

the marks are much more productive in adverse weather i.e northerlies etc. so people climb through and over fences and put themselves and others in danger to catch there "big fish" and it will result in injury sooner rather than later.

keep safe....bc

How can a mark be dangerous to fish due to it being prohibited or illegal? Hendon Wall and the South pier are no more dangerous than Seaham pier, in fact they are a lot safer.

I do agree though regarding Cairnryan pier. It is unsafe, and I wouldn't fish it for that reason alone.

and it will result in injury sooner rather than later.
Of course it will...but that is the point Matchman is getting at, you could say that about other legal marks (Remember poor Paul Hurst?) - its an easy statement to make, just like saying there will be casualties on the road due to traffic accidents.

Our sport is a dangerous sport, whether you're fishing legally or illegally.




 
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"How can a mark be dangerous to fish due to it being prohibited or illegal?"

easy...they shut roker pier because of the dangerous conditions...and you climb on having total disregard for anyone but you and your fishing
 
"How can a mark be dangerous to fish due to it being prohibited or illegal?"

easy...they shut roker pier because of the dangerous conditions...and you climb on having total disregard for anyone but you and your fishing

I see you haven't made your feelings known to the anglers posting on a thread entitled 'South Shields Pier' on this board:rolleyes:

As for Roker, it comes to the individual interpretation of dangerous conditions, I gave an example to outline this. Added to the fact that they've had Roker shut on flat calm days, so the councils interpretation of 'dangerous' is lot different to ours. I take it you agree that the South and Hendon are not prohibited because they're 'dangerous'?

Take this further afield....Have you ever broke the speed limit? 40 in a 30? 30 in a 20? Those limits are put there for a reason, but I bet you've broken them. You're putting yourself, as well as others at risk by doing so, but because its not fishing from prohibited marks, I suppose its ok:confused:

Your initial post asks anglers for their views. I gave you mine, and the background for my reasoning, yet I'm being chastised for it?
 
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Take this further afield....Have you ever broke the speed limit? 40 in a 30? 30 in a 20? Those limits are put there for a reason, but I bet you've broken them. You're putting yourself, as well as others at risk by doing so, but because its not fishing from prohibited marks, I suppose its ok:confused:

good point that mate
 
...it's up to us to use common sense at all times I suppose,

I'm a firm believer that there's no such thing as common sense, there's such a thing as sense but it's not common amongst all of us, that's why the authorities have to put locks on gates to piers because some anglers will put themselves in danger either oblivious to that danger or with total disregard to the danger, looking at it from our side that's also why authorities have a gate locked during a flat calm sea because there's no such thing as common sense.

An example would be Hendon, anyone who fishes it regulary would know the exact dangers relevant to that mark anyone who doesn't fish it regulary would not know the dangers, so when someone who doesn't know what they are doing gets washed off and another angler says common sense should have told them not to fish that area the way the sea was.........see what I mean.

Off the track a bit now but I thought I would try and lighten this thread a little and prove there's no such thing as common sense;

In 2000 eight people were admitted to hospital with fractured skulls
Whilst throwing up into the toilet.

3 people die each year testing if a 9v battery works using their tongue.

142 people were injured in 1999 by not removing all the pins from new
shirts.

31 people have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while
the fairylights were plugged in.

18 people had serious burns in 2000 trying on new jumpers with a lit
cigarette in their mouth.

Why do we leave our cars worth thousands of pounds on the drive
While we lock our junk and cheap lawn mowers in the garage.

Why do banks leave both doors wide open then chain the pens
To the counter.

Why do supermarkets make sick people walk all the way to the back of the store to get their prescriptions.
While healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front door.

Good debate by the way, hope I haven't spoiled it with this :D
 
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tynemouth peir

i was on tynemouth pier last december went on at 6pm and was still on at 7am there was three ov us and the sea was that bad we had to strap ourselfs to the metal gate at the back with rope to stay on .it was coming over the lighthouse bigest sea i have ever seen next day it was on the news that it was a freek storm that night. could not get back down the pier that night as the waves were coming over the top all night and would ov washed any man off that night . weather reports arnt allways spot on !
 
Its not just the 'illegal' areas which are dangerous,just look at the recent rescue of the family off seaham beach,look at the fatal accidents off the promenade at hendon and numerous other places up and down the coastline which did not involve fishermen,whichever way you look at it the sea is a dangerous force and wherever you choose to fish you should check the weather,tides and access and always let people know where you are going,as for my own views i am sh@t scared of drowning and seldom take a chance,but i have also fished illegal marks without the risk.
 
Quite agree,there is danger all along the coast at differing times.
But most illegal sites have obstructions to deny access.
Simply crossing over,under,through them puts you at risk.
I have seen many a wobble from people climbing over the fence to the pier at Cambois.
Plus quite often they are there for a reason,the structure is unsafe for example.
If you ignore all that and do have a problem then as i have said,you should be prosocuted and or bear the cost of any rescue needed.
You think you know best,fine but you take the results if you get it wrong.
 
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