ok was supposed to go fishing today but my pal never turned up so got into the buds instead ,so im looking through the ads in the paper and come across the boat section,some not bad prices for 14-16ft fibreglass etc under £500 ,4 buds later im thinking maybe me and a couple of mates why not,BUT it cant be that simple ,so guys put me right ,you cant just buy a boat and sail it right ?theres got to be loads of red tape,fees etc,so how do i go about it if i take the plunge,berthing fees ,registration,licence and so on i want the ins and outs before i even think about asking the lads
just gotta ask
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Norman
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brib ,
yeah lots of hidden costs, depends if you gonna trail it or not. If you want to keep in a marina (easy access etc) its average £1000 per year plus insurance of £200 or so (these prices relate to 20ft so 16ft are about 75%) then there`s the annual antifoul (about £200) etc etc it goes on
If you trail it then theres only the launch fee and maintainence fees(£15 average a launch) but you have to have somewhere to keep it and you have to start out 3 hours prior to fishing and end 3 hours after fishing so as to have time to tidy up etc. etc, its your choice whichever way you go ................ but none is cheap . its a bottomless pit ......
but it`s great LOL
yeah lots of hidden costs, depends if you gonna trail it or not. If you want to keep in a marina (easy access etc) its average £1000 per year plus insurance of £200 or so (these prices relate to 20ft so 16ft are about 75%) then there`s the annual antifoul (about £200) etc etc it goes on
If you trail it then theres only the launch fee and maintainence fees(£15 average a launch) but you have to have somewhere to keep it and you have to start out 3 hours prior to fishing and end 3 hours after fishing so as to have time to tidy up etc. etc, its your choice whichever way you go ................ but none is cheap . its a bottomless pit ......
but it`s great LOL
ok so no previous skill with boats needed 
shocking but in my favour but you must have to register the boat with someone,who do you pay launch fees to,there must be certain protocol to follow rules to obey ie inform the coastguard that a group of no clue fishermen are on there way out ,please send help in advance type thing ?no go areas etc ? it cant be that easy ,the ones i was looking at were trailer types so i could keep it on the drive or at me mates lockup antifoul ?
look lads pretend ive no idea lol youl be right and keep it simple eg A buy boat ,B sail it C D etc
shocking but in my favour but you must have to register the boat with someone,who do you pay launch fees to,there must be certain protocol to follow rules to obey ie inform the coastguard that a group of no clue fishermen are on there way out ,please send help in advance type thing ?no go areas etc ? it cant be that easy ,the ones i was looking at were trailer types so i could keep it on the drive or at me mates lockup antifoul ?look lads pretend ive no idea lol youl be right and keep it simple eg A buy boat ,B sail it C D etc
jason
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antifoul you wont need as it will be on a trailer and not getting snotty bottom from the marina. no you do not need to tell anyone where and when as said earlier it is stupid. There are courses by the rnli and rya who give you the knowledge to do it correctly and safely. I an sure if you are serious one of the lads on here will meet you down his boat and show you exactly what a good job looks like.
hmm food for thought ,the steering bit should be okay and as long as all the correct gear is on board etc safety issues should be coverd but its mad ,i thought therd be more rules governing shipping lanes etc not that i plan on getting that far out and you dont even have to log ownership papers with anyone jees ,looks like im having a word with the chaps,id like to keep it berthed somewhere but will have to look into that later when i find out whos in and out so maybe a boat from santa this year 
mark
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not really any registration organisation to record it with if its little, bigger boats can be registered but entirely optional. Launch fees vary. theres quite a few free launch sites, depends where you are, with some you can buy a \'licence\' to launch as often as you like for a year (75 quid in sunderland??), some launch ssights require you to have insurance cover before they\'ll let you launch
but the bottom line is you could go out buy a boat and off you go. there\'s no \'MOT\'s\' or owt. I\'ve seen some real floating sheds going out in the past and thought they either have balls of steel or no brains.
common sense and sound advice are the best 2 things you can equip yourself with and both can be had for free, and the latter is usually willingly given in my experience.
anitfouling discourages anything from attaching itself to the bottom of the boat (weed/barnacles etc), but if its gonna spend most of its life on a trailer, it\'ll be a once in while neccessity. the rest of the trailer is a different matter sand and saltwater don\'t mix well with metal and bearings. It all has to be rinsed in fresh water every time or you\'ll be buying new bearings every few trips, or wosrse still watching one of the trailer wheels over take you on the motorway (seen this happen many times).
apply this rule to the brakes/bearings on your car as well
same goes for the outboard, rinse it thoroughly, salt water left in the engine aint gonna do it no favours over time.
gan canny, listen and learn and you\'ll be all right
but the bottom line is you could go out buy a boat and off you go. there\'s no \'MOT\'s\' or owt. I\'ve seen some real floating sheds going out in the past and thought they either have balls of steel or no brains.
common sense and sound advice are the best 2 things you can equip yourself with and both can be had for free, and the latter is usually willingly given in my experience.
anitfouling discourages anything from attaching itself to the bottom of the boat (weed/barnacles etc), but if its gonna spend most of its life on a trailer, it\'ll be a once in while neccessity. the rest of the trailer is a different matter sand and saltwater don\'t mix well with metal and bearings. It all has to be rinsed in fresh water every time or you\'ll be buying new bearings every few trips, or wosrse still watching one of the trailer wheels over take you on the motorway (seen this happen many times).
apply this rule to the brakes/bearings on your car as well
same goes for the outboard, rinse it thoroughly, salt water left in the engine aint gonna do it no favours over time.
gan canny, listen and learn and you\'ll be all right
ok so heres my thoughts free launching sounds good ill look into that but what im thinking is tynemouth sailing club might be the way to go ive seen a few boats down there sitting on trailers so im not sure what the crack is with storing down there ,might be a bit iffy what with youngsters prowling and all i defnitly need to look into options as the vans normaly on the drive (keeps the insurance down) cheers lads anyway ,ill let you know how i get on and if i need towing in
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Ell
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Bribones, South Tyneside college may have some courses on offer to give you a lot of theory and get you through the radio qualifications etc. maybe even practical stuff? I\'d give them a shout. There seems to be a lot of schemes for newbies run by the RYA but as far as I know they cover Sailing things and Powerboats, not really what a Boat Angler needs to know (Bob and Ian excepted) I keep telling myself to get em done, just for the interest. Other sources of info I would suggest are digging out books from your library ? Internet etc. Signing up to Boaty Forums and last but not least, soaking up every bit of information, and asking as many questions as you can (before being lobbed overboard) every time you find yourself out on the water.
I\'d also wait until the season ends before buying one. Sun shines bright, Wallet Light, Hail and Sleet Price is sweet. Blaaahh.
Don\'t do as I do, I do nowt, do as I say or stuff
[Edited on 18/7/2004 by Ell]
I\'d also wait until the season ends before buying one. Sun shines bright, Wallet Light, Hail and Sleet Price is sweet. Blaaahh.
Don\'t do as I do, I do nowt, do as I say or stuff
[Edited on 18/7/2004 by Ell]
mark
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forgot about this one, its by no means comprehensive, but might be useful
http://www.boatlaunch.co.uk
basically a map of the uk with boat launch sites, rules and regs, costs etc and if your lucky a bonny picture of each one
how much you want to spend??
might have something that might be of interest, as I might be a 2 boat family very shortly, so might need to get rid of one before my concience (er\' indoors) finds oot!
there was a lot of mights in that last sentence, I might have overloaded the last one in advance of my 10hour drive to scotland which might be beginning in half an hour!
http://www.boatlaunch.co.uk
basically a map of the uk with boat launch sites, rules and regs, costs etc and if your lucky a bonny picture of each one
how much you want to spend??
might have something that might be of interest, as I might be a 2 boat family very shortly, so might need to get rid of one before my concience (er\' indoors) finds oot!
there was a lot of mights in that last sentence, I might have overloaded the last one in advance of my 10hour drive to scotland which might be beginning in half an hour!
not sure on price yet as i need to see if i can rope a few in first ,as ell says it might be worth waiting till its a buyers market and ive gained a bit more knowhow etc (i can swim but 3 miles is a bit far) good link bye the way pity it doesnt list the free launch sites with a big free sign radio qualifications ? is that like a ham radio course /
radio qualifications ? is that like a ham radio course /I\'ll put in my two pennorth on this.
I\'ll say at the outset that I\'m a relative beginner at this business, having only bought my first boat this year. There are many more experienced heads on this site. Having said that, I\'m much nearer to Bribones interms of knowing what it\'s like to be a beginner wanting to get afloat.
The first thing to say is, just because there is no legal rquirement for you to undertake any form of licence, qualification, training or instruction before you to take a boat out to sea, it doesn\'t necessarily follow that it\'s a good idea to do so.
Your first three priorities when you consider this venture should be:
1.Safety
2.Safety
3.Safety
Otherwise you\'ll be risking your own life, those of anyone who comes out with you, and potentially those who would have to come and rescue you if you get into trouble.
IMHO, when you count the cost of getting afloat, you need to factor in not just the cost of your vessel and berthage/slipway charges, but all that is necessary to do it safely. This would include (and this is not a comprehensive list - approx costs in brackets):
Lifejackets (£35 each)
Flares (£30)
VHF radio(£90 at least - plus the cost of a 1 day course to get a licence to operate it)
GPS (£120+)
Fishfinder/depth sounder(£80+)
Anchor/chain/warp
All mooring ropes etc
Charts of your chosen area (£10-15 each)
Third party liability insurance as a minimum (I pay for up to £2,000,000 of cover, the current maximum payou if you were for instance to run someone down and disable them is £3,000,000).
I would also include the cost of some sort of instruction to help you make the most of the above, and to ensure you\'re not a dangerous menace to others on the water (do you know the colregs?). Handling a boat isn\'t just a question of steering - I\'ve made the beginner\'s mistakes relatively recently so I know. I took the RYA level 2 powerboat course which will at least teach you how to launch and recover safely, how to steer, pick up a mooring, recover a man overboard, and a bit about tides, pilotage, navigation and choosing a boat for your purposes - this for instance was where I learned how much fuel I could expect an outboard motor to use.
You may get some of the above with your boat, some could be acquired secondhand, and if you have a mate who\'s willing to show you, you might get away without the formal instruction. I wouldn\'t however entertain the notion that you\'re going to get afloat on the sea in safety on £500.
Sorry if I seem to be a bit of a killjoy, but I rationalised all this by saying it was all part of the initial startup cost as it were. I could have had a lot of charter trips, and taken a couple of mates with me for what it cost me to set up my boat.
Bloody good fun though.
I\'ll say at the outset that I\'m a relative beginner at this business, having only bought my first boat this year. There are many more experienced heads on this site. Having said that, I\'m much nearer to Bribones interms of knowing what it\'s like to be a beginner wanting to get afloat.
The first thing to say is, just because there is no legal rquirement for you to undertake any form of licence, qualification, training or instruction before you to take a boat out to sea, it doesn\'t necessarily follow that it\'s a good idea to do so.
Your first three priorities when you consider this venture should be:
1.Safety
2.Safety
3.Safety
Otherwise you\'ll be risking your own life, those of anyone who comes out with you, and potentially those who would have to come and rescue you if you get into trouble.
IMHO, when you count the cost of getting afloat, you need to factor in not just the cost of your vessel and berthage/slipway charges, but all that is necessary to do it safely. This would include (and this is not a comprehensive list - approx costs in brackets):
Lifejackets (£35 each)
Flares (£30)
VHF radio(£90 at least - plus the cost of a 1 day course to get a licence to operate it)
GPS (£120+)
Fishfinder/depth sounder(£80+)
Anchor/chain/warp
All mooring ropes etc
Charts of your chosen area (£10-15 each)
Third party liability insurance as a minimum (I pay for up to £2,000,000 of cover, the current maximum payou if you were for instance to run someone down and disable them is £3,000,000).
I would also include the cost of some sort of instruction to help you make the most of the above, and to ensure you\'re not a dangerous menace to others on the water (do you know the colregs?). Handling a boat isn\'t just a question of steering - I\'ve made the beginner\'s mistakes relatively recently so I know. I took the RYA level 2 powerboat course which will at least teach you how to launch and recover safely, how to steer, pick up a mooring, recover a man overboard, and a bit about tides, pilotage, navigation and choosing a boat for your purposes - this for instance was where I learned how much fuel I could expect an outboard motor to use.
You may get some of the above with your boat, some could be acquired secondhand, and if you have a mate who\'s willing to show you, you might get away without the formal instruction. I wouldn\'t however entertain the notion that you\'re going to get afloat on the sea in safety on £500.
Sorry if I seem to be a bit of a killjoy, but I rationalised all this by saying it was all part of the initial startup cost as it were. I could have had a lot of charter trips, and taken a couple of mates with me for what it cost me to set up my boat.
Bloody good fun though.
a fishfinder isnt essential though ? looks like a non started anyway ,talked to one of the lads today and he doesnt want to be tied down with the cost and hassle of running a boat,i might opt for something small that i can just hang round out from the piers on or sit over deep water offshore aways seen a nice one that you just pick up and carry down to water maybe bout 10ft but light as a feather with a small outboard like i say food for thought ive still gotta couple of the lads to ask
BriH
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Not that i do any boat fishing any more (ALWAYS PUKED -kept trying every week KEPT PUKING ) but Bert (tadpole man) -never said not to come but i decided my place should be taken by someone who would enjoy it- BUT if ANY -TOM -DICK - HARRY can buy a boat WHY THE F\"^K are they taking LIFEBOATS FROM OUR COASTLINE. - scary very scary - not just them that buy without any knowledge - but them that might just also CRASH into someone who Knows what they are doing out there. :casstet: :casstet: :casstet:
my thought exactly ,i thought thered be rules or at the least an insurance scheme to protect other boats,you could get some divvy whos hell bent on distruction just upping and outing on a boat to cauze havock ,not having a go at you boat owners but there should be some sort of ruling body out there to keep things in order,sayings that rules mean red tape and red tape costs money and the boat owners would just cop the bills its a funny old world we live in
