thanks all,its about time i lifted one out for myself.it was a pleasure to lift stu's out last week in the open,but this feels a little better cos it was in a club match and you get double the weight on anything over 6lb plus i was on me tod.as soon as i seen it my legs went a little bit like jelly but the owld conoflex diablo stood firm once again.thanks also to sless who i rang 5 mins after i landed it talking jibberish(got your camera in the van,no why,ive got one about the same as stus last week,i ok i'll get it for you,ta).thanks very much graham the grand bairn thinks im "COOL" cos im on the net