New boat - Winter project

[Funkmeister_Smith]

Hi.

So we have just bought a new boat as a good winter project to keep me out of mischief! Its a 20ft boat with cabin and needs alot of work, mainly cosmetic, but its coming along quite canny already and we got it for a good price including the trailor so couldnt resist.

I was wondering if anyone recognised the type of boat and could maybe identify the model / make? See pics below:



Inside of the cabin (after a well needed lick of undercoat!):



I've found an identical boat on Gumtree for sale on Gumtree and asked the seller what make etc. but he hasn't replied. Doh!

We're hoping to fit an inboard but have no idea what hp will be required to get the boat moving to its best efficiency. My other boat is displacement hull so can't really compare! :s I'm guessing around the 40hp+ mark so would be good to fit a converted car diesel engine I guess and we were thinking about using hydraulic drive but there is so much difference of opinions on such matters its crazy. :s Does anyone on here have hydraulic drive on their boat and do the benefits outweigh the drawbacks (i.e. loss of power when compared to a direct shaft drive?).

Anyways, it would be great to hear if anyone had any personal experiences to share! Looking forward to getting her all done up and ready for the summer and we'll not be cutting any corners or doing anything 'second best' so will be a good investment for when we come to sell her in the future.

All the best.

Steve

 

[kingcod deano]

It looks the same sort of style as a cjr dory

 

[Axe]

not sure its name maybe a 19ft dijon? heres one similar maybe email and ask if they know its name?

Small dayboat Boat For Sale, "Betty B"

 

[the leadman]

micro plus explorer 501 or Shetland 503

 

[Axe]

micro plus explorer 501 or Shetland 503

i initially thought a shetland but had a look through loads and cant see it...even them two options dont look like it...its a toughy!

 

[the leadman]

The 503 early ones hull looks very simler

 

[big_sean]

Not a shetland Not dory of any description

Looks more like a seamaster river boat to me


Sean

 

[big_sean]

not sure its name maybe a 19ft dijon? heres one similar maybe email and ask if they know its name?

Small dayboat Boat For Sale, "Betty B"

The small day boat looks like one of the Norman 17's a river boat as well

the norman 18, 18.5 and 20 were more for sea use


Sean

 

[mal4936]

microplus normally badged just below top of cuddy on front post mate of mine has same boat

 

[Axe]

yeah i had a look through the norman range and nothing matched...its frustrating as i have seen a few of them..and now i need to name it i cant! lol

 

[codseeker]

im sure there was 1 of them at loch etive Taynuilt i might be wrong they look simular when we visited and hired a boat for the day trip out on dougys moorings maybe he might know what type of vessel ya bought
http://www.sea-fishing-loch-etive.co.uk/

and also looks like this one
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...58A914C0E6A4AF72191B567&first=301&FORM=IDFRIR

 

[Funkmeister_Smith]

Hi, thanks for all the replies!

Haha, yes it is a tad frustrating because I've seen 3 or 4 examples of the same or similar boat now on the net and none of them have a tag to say what make / model it is. :s It looks to be the same hull as the 'Small Day Boat' link and the inside of the cabin is the same (toilet, sink position etc), only difference being the outside of the cabin ie window style etc. And the link above seems to be the same boat also however I can't have a proper look at the moment (on my work computer!). I assume it has no make or model in the description though!

Here is the boat I found on Gumtree which looks to be the same:

20foot boat (cabin cruiser) in Belfast, County Antrim | Boats, Kayaks & Jet Skis for Sale | Gumtree.com

I messaged the dude selling it but no reply. Oh well! Would have been nice to know the make and also to see how it would have looked as standard. I guess I'll just keep trawling the net til I find out (no pun intended ).

Cheers.

Steve

 

[big_sean]

I still think its one of the seamaster range but they were lots of different variations made so there site is not always that accurate

Seamaster 21 Original Outboard Cruiser

the day boat talked about i am sure is 99% a seamaster

Alas a river boat not fit for sea use

the front of the boat does not have enough od a gull wing to give me the impression that it is fit for sea use and the bottom looks horribly flat


Sean

 

[Funkmeister_Smith]

Yes I had worried about 'sea worthiness', however after reading up about the various factors, whilst it does have a flat bottom, it may compensate with the high sides and full 'double' transom? Also I'll be fitting a powerful engine (whether it be inboard or out), which would get me out of trouble should a rough sea roll in, right? Far too many factors to consider I think, but either way I'm going to give it a shot as it would only be in the sea that I'd ever use it. If its not suitable then I'll be selling it on as a river boat. Im not too worried as I got it for a good price and stand to make a bit of money off it either way, so time will tell I guess!

I'll have a look at the 'Seamaster' boats in that link when I'm home from work, cheers for that.

Thanks.

Steve

 

[big_sean]

Yes I had worried about 'sea worthiness', however after reading up about the various factors, whilst it does have a flat bottom, it may compensate with the high sides and full 'double' transom? Also I'll be fitting a powerful engine (whether it be inboard or out), which would get me out of trouble should a rough sea roll in, right? Far too many factors to consider I think, but either way I'm going to give it a shot as it would only be in the sea that I'd ever use it. If its not suitable then I'll be selling it on as a river boat. Im not too worried as I got it for a good price and stand to make a bit of money off it either way, so time will tell I guess!

I'll have a look at the 'Seamaster' boats in that link when I'm home from work, cheers for that.

Thanks.

Steve

You may not get the chance to sell it on as if it is unstable big engine / high gunnels or not wont stop it rolling over


Get it checked out before trying it on the sea as surely your life is worth more than that risk


Sean

 

[lingking]

im sure there was 1 of them at loch etive Taynuilt i might be wrong they look simular when we visited and hired a boat for the day trip out on dougys moorings maybe he might know what type of vessel ya bought
Taynuilt fishing club, fishing on Loch Etive in Taynuilt near Oban Scotland

and also looks like this one
20ft fishing boat pics - Bing Images

good bit of detective work o great cod master

 

[Funkmeister_Smith]

You may not get the chance to sell it on as if it is unstable big engine / high gunnels or not wont stop it rolling over


Get it checked out before trying it on the sea as surely your life is worth more than that risk


Sean

So where would I get my boat checked out and what sort of costs would I be looking at to do so? I do agree it is worth getting checked out and would be happy to do that before taking her out to sea. Do they check it by taking it out to sea themselves or is it a case of looking it over, taking measurements etc. based on some sort of 'sea worthiness threshold', if you catch my drift? (again, no pun intended! ). Only reason I ask is because when you read articles related to sea-worthiness it has so many different things to take into consideration and going by them it makes it sound to the novice (ie me), that it would in fact be sea worthy, regardless of the flat bottom etc, because it is compensated in other 'more important' areas? Confusing! Agree that it would be best to get it checked out properly though, it is definitely worth less than my life.

Also, seems ironic to me that a model of boat called a 'Seamaster' is not actually fit for use in the sea!! :red: Maybe 'Rivermaster' would have been a better choice of brand name!

Cheers.

Steve

 

[codseeker]

i carnt see it been any problem on a nice flat sea obviously ya wudnt wanna go out otherwise

 

[easyfish1]

So where would I get my boat checked out and what sort of costs would I be looking at to do so? I do agree it is worth getting checked out and would be happy to do that before taking her out to sea. Do they check it by taking it out to sea themselves or is it a case of looking it over, taking measurements etc. based on some sort of 'sea worthiness threshold', if you catch my drift? (again, no pun intended! ). Only reason I ask is because when you read articles related to sea-worthiness it has so many different things to take into consideration and going by them it makes it sound to the novice (ie me), that it would in fact be sea worthy, regardless of the flat bottom etc, because it is compensated in other 'more important' areas? Confusing! Agree that it would be best to get it checked out properly though, it is definitely worth less than my life.

Also, seems ironic to me that a model of boat called a 'Seamaster' is not actually fit for use in the sea!! :red: Maybe 'Rivermaster' would have been a better choice of brand name!

Cheers.

Steve

RLNI do a sea check for free, check the web site out

 

[big_sean]

RLNI do a sea check for free, check the web site out

Excellent post

Take the RNLI's advice and if they say dont as if you do and get into trouble you will be then putting there lives in danger by them having to come for you

Cheap boats are not always the best the reason they are generally so cheap is no one quite knows what they were

Dont forget that Glass fibre boats can be 40+ years old now as when they started using it they didnt realise how long it would last

I have a close friend who lost family members on a boat and last year someone bought one he explained that they are very unstable but they were going to try it idiots in my mind

all i can say is it does not look very stable from the pictures i may be wrong but it costs nothing to get them checked.

Sean