sea angler vs TSf

TGW - I know for sure there are tope, conger and various rays to target out there...just the past few weeks there have been some small smoothhounds caught around the Seaham area - small yes, but pups must have been born somewhere close by - by a bigger female...what d'you reckon?.
As for the comment on making own lures, shads, jiggers etc fair play to you fella...i did too as an experiment...I ripped three pieces off a white carrier bag, hung them onto three hooks and dropped them over...down they went. They came back up with three cod attached...
All I'm suggesting is boat fishing in the North East, whether charter or dinghy, is not all about cod and ling - not unless you're wrecking obviously, I think a few surprises could be had if the correct rigs are used in an uptiding fashion.
Great bait for tope are eel segments or flounder. Hermit crab can be deadly for smoothhounds...you never know, it's a great game this fishing lark!

Speaking of that 'codseeker' has just put up a thread of himself and his mate fishing seaham pier today. His mate stu had a small smoothhound pup. Could this be one of the great comebacks??:confused:

I dam hope so, could do with a few coming off shields pier, as a said earlier!!:red:
 
I agree...are these the same anglers who complain about commercials landing god knows how many cod - but its okay for them to fill fish boxes and pose proudly along side them in pictures...?
I was just thinking the other day, boat anglers in the NE are blinkered...cod, cod, cod, cod and more cod. Baited feathers, baited jiggers, baited hokkais...how very boring and IMO, not at all skillful!
Whay dont some NE boat anglers uptide and try and search for other species...give the poor cod a break...
Just my thoughts you understand...

I don't think boat anglers are quite in the same league as commercials though.
I think it's pretty obvious why cod is targeted so much, it's a top eating fish, simple.
 
I was waiting for the "we don't take as much as the commercials..." quote. Might be a different league buddy...but it's certainly the same ball park...

I didn't quote we as I don't boat fish but if I did Cod would be top of the list. I read posts on the boat angling section on this site and I think the guys with the boats spend a bit keeping them afloat, substantial little industry really so why not get a bit payback as well as enyoying yourself if that's your thing afterall it might be on the same ball park but it's a relatively small game.
 
[QUOTE I believe fishing moves in cycles - good years bad years - let's not forget, it's not the commercial skippers fault...it's the govt IMO...the govt appears to get off scott free while we all jump on the "slag the netters" band wagon. Enjoy the good fishing lads n lasses you all deserve it after the last few years in the doldrums. Who knows, if autumn and winter follow suit[/QUOTE]

totally agree with you there i also belive it comes in cycles i just hope we get a good couple of year before its back to the same old
 
The next time ya up this way Paul why dont ya get ya sell out on a boat and do a article with pic's of cause on what species can be caught up here am sure it will go down well in the mag mate. :yltype: ;) and more lads might target different species instead of cod and ling.
 
slight diversion back to the commercials argument - an RSA fishing with hook and line has no discards apart from the odd Scotchie that doesn't make it back so there is really no comparison in the damage done between an indiscriminate net and the direct targeting by an RSA

as to magazines I've always been a Hounds & Horses/Guns & Ammo kind of guy :p
 
Back in the late 40s. and 50s. boats out of Eyemouth used to longline for common skate, these sadly were turned into fish meal. I can remember seeing the big metal gibbet that was used to haul these fish up the quayside. some of these beasts weighed 300 to 400lbs. and more, whose to say that they aren't still there. They haven't been fished for on rod and line,I said for many years that there were shark to be caught off our coast that's now been proved. What about the 56lbs. halibut taken out of Whitby a couple of weeks ago, that can't be the only one.
There are tope off the N.E. coast, conger in the wrecks, plenty of smooth hound are taken less than a hundred miles down the coast from the Tyne so why not, if someone specialised in targeting all these different species shouldn't we prove that there are more than just cod and ling to be taken.
There are probably a lot more species I haven't mentioned to be caught, but they won't be taken on the types of tackle i.e. jiggers, hoki's, daylights, shads etc. except by accident, that the majority of us use, you have to tackle up to suit the type of fish you are after.
I'm sure that if boats were to anchor onto wrecks off our coast we would see some big ling and conger being taken. In the mid sixties I organised a boat competition in aid of the Royal National Mission To Deep Sea Fisherman and because it was for "their" charity all the professional boats out of Eyemouth, Seahouses,Amble,Blyth, North Shields and Sunderland took part. Some of these boats were over 80ft. but we only allowed 12 anglers on each boat. On the Sunday morning I went aboard one of these boats at North Shields to have a word with the skipper about something and he said "we've already got the winning fish aboard" when I asked what he meant, he showed me a fifty gallon drum on deck that had a cover over it, when I took the cover off, in the drum was a conger which a number of us estimated at well over a 120lbs. to 140lbs.The fish had been taken the day before in the nets off Souter Point, I disqualified the fish from the comp, no, I didn't try to cut it's tail so that it couldn't be weighed in.
If you could get a boat willing to take you out, you would need the skipper and everyone else on board to agree to experiment and possibly waste a lot of time trying different methods of tackling up, unless it was your own boat and you wanted to try fishing for something other than cod or ling.
If you did want to try for other species and you weren't sure how to tackle up for them there are plenty of books available to see how it's done, or go onto one of the web sites such as this to find out. Different species require different methods of fishing for them.
Tight Lines.
 
but i bet you have learned more from this site than you have from sea angler or tsf and im not on about boat fishing reports im on about gps equipment boat reivews etc

Not all mate, I learned many new knots from Sea Angler many moons ago, as well as insights into tidal patterns and fishing for bass, and I enjoy seeing people catching different species from all around our coast, not just 100 cod caught on such and such a boat.
As Paul (Matchman) has said, there are many more species of fish out there other than cod, if people can be bothered to try different things.

When I fished the Alnwick Sea Angling club, we had a lad that taregtted different species and was frowned upon for doing so by people that only thought cod was king....Was a shame because the lad was a great angler and left the club the following season
 
cheers for the comments guys ...i have just been to my local newsagents and have decided to subscribe to razzle instead.....actually at the newsagents its showing that both mags have some pointers on stingrays i am gonna buy both and see which has more info then i will decide....thanks
 
Aye your right Sam, there are a lot more species that we dont target up here, but a change in the mindset could throw up some awsome catches.
I have fished with some of the best skippers in the English Channel and when you watch these guys dropping the hook into 6o fathoms, and steaming off across the tide and dropping another one down, then paying the warps out just to get you the slack water on a mid channel wreck, you think what!!! then you think you are fast.. just for a while.. then the battle commences.
matchman mentioned "uptiding" . we dont do enough of it on our coast. it's all about get the hokkias down for the cod.
years ago (here we go) when we had long periods of calm summer weather, you could drop anchor and bring the fish to your bait. whether it was a rubby dubby on the anchor chain, or by sheer numbers of bait on the sea bed.
Only when anglers use different baits / lures and tactics will we see the Cod, Ling, Pouting culture change. excuse the rant ;) both good mags, because you never stop learning.
 
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The odd conger in the nets, shark, skate or smoothy isnt really worth fishing for them in the north east coast. the man hours and money spend to even catch one of these species, i think it would be cheaper to hitch the boat on and travel south or north.

Charter boats off our coasts would stuggle to make money doing this kind of target species hunting as the anglers would be disappointed in the lack or results if anything did get caught also it would take skippers with the skills to anchor up correctly to a wreck not as easy as it sounds.

So its down to us private boat anglers, who choose the SW coast of scotland for blues, porbeagle, tope, smoothies, and rays and for the skate its NW Scotland in the sea lochs.

Seen it, heard it, done it and still doing most of it and until numbers of these species increase off our coast it isnt viable sport.

The Sea Angler and TSF are what they are a magazine of our sport and yes to those of us who have been fishing for a bit we will have see it all before as you cannot re-invent the wheel, but the newer lads will find these mags of interest and i still buy the odd one or 2 but sometimes i prefer to dig one of the old mags out for a good read.

Happy Fishing
 
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