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Why was this thread reopened to allow a single response?

"I asked a legal type what he thought of the situation and he laughed therefore it didn't happen"

another gem - "I asked around the station and no-one admitted to it so it didn't happen"

Coppers tell lies, same as the rest of us. "We shouted armed police" (this is under oath in court during the Stockwell shooting inquest) everyone else on the train says "No you didn't"

I stood next to a pal who was punched in the face by a copper, knocked over a wall and arrested for his crime, (sitting down and looking odd while a bit of a poitical ruck was occuring close by) in court, coppers lied through their arses, he went down.

I've witnessed numerous incidents where police officers have behaved stupidly and lied their way out of a situation leaving innocent citizens deep in the ****.

A frien is still waiting for compo after being stitched up by lying coppers (proven in court)

Should have kept the thread shut or never locked it in the first place.
 
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Charlie_Thompson said:
Coppers tell lies, same as the rest of us. "We shouted armed police" (this is under oath in court during the Stockwell shooting inquest) everyone else on the train says "No you didn't"
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and tony bliar's best chum derry irvine leans on the judge to to insist the jury can't deliver a verdict of unlawful killling, because that would mean they might actually have to prosecute a police officer

nice precedent, if you're a copper, shoot someone who's already on the floor in the head 7 seven times to subdue him, lie through your teeth and you'll be alright
 
I'm guessing that mods reopened the thread to allow a reply that would clarify the legalities of taking sea water. We now know that no one owns sea water.
 
All I'm saying is just cos you're the police doesn't mean you are necessarily telling the truth, there are some absolute nobbing coppers out there, there are some diamonds and everything in between.
 
Markie1 said:
I'm guessing that mods reopened the thread to allow a reply that would clarify the legalities of taking sea water. We now know that no one owns sea water.
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Do we? I don't think that was a legal thingmy at all, might be wrong of course. I thought that it had been agreed in principle that it kinda was illegal to take sea water. It's illegal to remove sand, pebbles etc. although your average copper wouldn't nick a 4 year old for putting a few pretty pebbles in her pocket. Sounds like this was a case of someone doing exactly that (if the tale's true and it is illegal to take seawater)
 
I re joined because of that thread, as far as i am concerned it was a complete load of rubbish, if you could steal sea water then logic says you would be stealing the fish,worms and crabs too!

it never happened, as a cop i can guarantee its a load of tripe.
 
I don't know what the crack is but I bet there are laws about taking sea water. A company decides to start sucking trillions of gallons of seawater out to extract gold from it or something. (Apparently there's a ton of gold in every cubic mile of sea water ?) There'll be some stupid arsed law that says you can't unless you ask a gaffer type or pay money to someone
 
CODHEED I'm not sure that I understand your logic, taking water doesn't mean that your taking the creatures that inhabit it.

Charlie, I'd bet that you would need a licence to use water commercially as part of a process because you would also be returning the same water to the sea and that would come under the control of the environment agency.

Edit: CODHEED beat me to reply button ;)
 
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I don't know what the crack is but I bet there are laws about taking sea water. A company decides to start sucking trillions of gallons of seawater out to extract gold from it or something. (Apparently there's a ton of gold in every cubic mile of sea water ?) There'll be some stupid arsed law that says you can't unless you ask a gaffer type or pay money to someone
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er no theres not, not in the theft act, there might be under some environmental law but not theft.
 
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er no theres not, not in the theft act, there might be under some environmental law but not theft.
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See - "Some environmental law" still grounds for some cheesed of nobber of a polis to have a giggle, is it not. Murder does not come under the theft category but it's still against the law. There's 2 issues here - is it against the law to remove seawater, and if it is, was that copper doing the right thing. I believe the story, a few people have said - hang about. We NEVER question someone who's lost a 22lb fish on the lift, why should we think this tale wasn't true. I can fully understand why the no-ones been named because I know what can happen when you upset some of the not soo nice policemen. A lifetime of grief, inconvenience and worse can come down on your head.
 
i think ill go to my local beach and take some sea water and get my lass to phone the police while im doing it, it'll be interesting to see what will happen :D

on second thoughts no i dont think i will as the police wouldn't waste their time on a thing like that would they.

no the police only target hardened criminals dont they. pmsl :D:D
 
I closed the thread because I was sick to the back teeth of having to trawl through posts taking cheap jibes at police officers. I personally have had cause to make an official complaint to Northumbria Police which resulted in at least 4 officers being disciplined so I am well aware that some officers are less than perfect. Nobody is perfect and there is tw@ts in every walk of life. If the thread had been slagging off council officers, Charlie, without good reason/ evidence I would have done the same:D:D although you at least know that I could supply you with the names of the ones that are:p:D

Just to clarify why I reopened the thread last night -


  1. It gave the opportunity to hear that the Crown Prosecution Service has confirmed that it isn't illegal to take sea water therefore we can rest easy that we aren't a crim because be take water to tend to our crabs. Whether the original event happened or not is irrelavant really as we dont know names or whether its just another urban myth. If we know for sure who the officer was etc then I am sure the serving officers on here would ensure that he was put right.
  2. I closed it after the one post because I knew that this would happen :(
Can we please have healthy debate and discussion without getting personal about certain professions :D
 
Students were throwing rubbish over my back wall cos they couldn't open their back door. I threw the rubbish back over their wall and rightly so IMO.

3 drunk students come onto my property and bray on my door and windows at 11.30pm on a Sunday night. I get out of bed open the door and tell them to eff off. Next thing I know I'm being dragged out of bed by coppers and read the riot act. I was charged under section 4 and fined £300. .

I pleaded not guilty but wasn't allowed a proper trial, just a Micky Mouse one in the magistrates court. The point of law under which I was convicted was that one of the students (who was studying law) became frightened and "THOUGHT" I was going to hit him.

The students addmitted being drunk, littering and tresspassing and I was relyiing on the police statements to say I was in bed and sober. I dont know why but the police lied and said I was drunk and abbusive.

The only logical explaination I can come up with is that someones promising legal career was under threat if convicted and the police statements were fabricated to make me look the baddy.

During the taped interview the police said that I had done the right thing by closing my door on the drunken tresspassers and going to bed but funny enough I tried in vain for 2 years to obtain a copy of the tape, so my breif was probably in on it too!

I stood in the dock and heard a PC and a WPC lie to magistrates

Not long after I built a porch and done some remedial work on a coppers house and charged him £300 over the top but it still doesn't help that I've got a criminal record after being squeaky clean for most of my life.
 
Charlie_Thompson said:
See - "Some environmental law" still grounds for some cheesed of nobber of a polis to have a giggle, is it not. Murder does not come under the theft category but it's still against the law. There's 2 issues here - is it against the law to remove seawater, and if it is, was that copper doing the right thing. I believe the story, a few people have said - hang about. We NEVER question someone who's lost a 22lb fish on the lift, why should we think this tale wasn't true. I can fully understand why the no-ones been named because I know what can happen when you upset some of the not soo nice policemen. A lifetime of grief, inconvenience and worse can come down on your head.
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yes but the police do not enforce environmental legislation, thats the environment agency. And also cops would not be trained or aware of that law, simply as theres no need to know it! theres a myriad of stuff to know without filling your head with law thats not relevant to your job.
 
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Students were throwing rubbish over my back wall cos they couldn't open their back door. I threw the rubbish back over their wall and rightly so IMO.

3 drunk students come onto my property and bray on my door and windows at 11.30pm on a Sunday night. I get out of bed open the door and tell them to eff off. Next thing I know I'm being dragged out of bed by coppers and read the riot act. I was charged under section 4 and fined £300. .

I pleaded not guilty but wasn't allowed a proper trial, just a Micky Mouse one in the magistrates court. The point of law under which I was convicted was that one of the students (who was studying law) became frightened and "THOUGHT" I was going to hit him.

The students addmitted being drunk, littering and tresspassing and I was relyiing on the police statements to say I was in bed and sober. I dont know why but the police lied and said I was drunk and abbusive.

The only logical explaination I can come up with is that someones promising legal career was under threat if convicted and the police statements were fabricated to make me look the baddy.

During the taped interview the police said that I had done the right thing by closing my door on the drunken tresspassers and going to bed but funny enough I tried in vain for 2 years to obtain a copy of the tape, so my breif was probably in on it too!

I stood in the dock and heard a PC and a WPC lie to magistrates

Not long after I built a porch and done some remedial work on a coppers house and charged him £300 over the top but it still doesn't help that I've got a criminal record after being squeaky clean for most of my life.
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you were given the same rights as anyone else, section 4 public order act is a summary only offence and can only be tried at mags court.

From 11.5 years of experience i have never ever known an innocent person get convicted of anything. I have also met hundreds , no make that probably thousands of people who have been working themselves and have claimed to be sober despite it being obvious to everyone that there mortal drunk.

Also i have never seen anyone charged with section 4 for simply telling someone to "eff off" since the offence involves intentionally threatening violence there is no way in the world the cps would have run a case for telling someone to "eff off".

I think for whatever reason you have an axe to grind so your exaggerating things a bit here.
 
Oblickta said:
Students were throwing rubbish over my back wall cos they couldn't open their back door. I threw the rubbish back over their wall and rightly so IMO.

3 drunk students come onto my property and bray on my door and windows at 11.30pm on a Sunday night. I get out of bed open the door and tell them to eff off. Next thing I know I'm being dragged out of bed by coppers and read the riot act. I was charged under section 4 and fined £300. .

I pleaded not guilty but wasn't allowed a proper trial, just a Micky Mouse one in the magistrates court. The point of law under which I was convicted was that one of the students (who was studying law) became frightened and "THOUGHT" I was going to hit him.

The students addmitted being drunk, littering and tresspassing and I was relyiing on the police statements to say I was in bed and sober. I dont know why but the police lied and said I was drunk and abbusive.

The only logical explaination I can come up with is that someones promising legal career was under threat if convicted and the police statements were fabricated to make me look the baddy.

During the taped interview the police said that I had done the right thing by closing my door on the drunken tresspassers and going to bed but funny enough I tried in vain for 2 years to obtain a copy of the tape, so my breif was probably in on it too!

I stood in the dock and heard a PC and a WPC lie to magistrates

Not long after I built a porch and done some remedial work on a coppers house and charged him £300 over the top but it still doesn't help that I've got a criminal record after being squeaky clean for most of my life.
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you should get that tape, as far as im aware if your interviewed you always get asked if you want a copy of the tape. they obviously dont want to give you the tape as it will make them look like the lying scum that they are.
 
CODHEED said:
you were given the same rights as anyone else, section 4 public order act is a summary only offence and can only be tried at mags court.

From 11.5 years of experience i have never ever known an innocent person get convicted of anything.
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I think the post you replied to could be one. Why would he bother to lie and make it up?
 
I have no axe to grind with anyone

I know what happened that day

My dad was a PC (Gosforth) as was my granda, I have a niece in the Newcastle force and a nephew in the force down in Derbyshire. I was brought up to respect the law
 
tonynufc said:
you should get that tape, as far as im aware if your interviewed you always get asked if you want a copy of the tape. they obviously dont want to give you the tape as it will make them look like the lying scum that they are.
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if there was a tabe and the case went to trial the mags would have had acess to the tape and transcripts of the tape, whatever was said on interview would be make public in court.

I am sure the original posters solicitor would have made the court aware if such lies had been told as part of his defence. if the lies had been told and the solicitor didnt mention them i suggest you sack them because they failed you massively.
 
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