Shields open

[BriH]

Who informed the committee - it must have been a fellow angler ,as if one of the marshals had been informed (assuming there was one on the pier)this guy had climbed the gates early ,he wouldnt have been able to weigh his fish in the first place -

i can see both sides ,but its a very tricky situation the Shields Club have set ,what happens if next year,someone turns up at the first gate with a disabled scooter ,and gets to the end before the rest - catches a winner , is that deemed as "unfair"

it`ll be like wacky races

 

[jimmy]

what happens if next year,someone turns up at the first gate with a disabled scooter ,and gets to the end before the rest - catches a winner , is that deemed as "unfair"

it`ll be like wacky races

see ya point Bri, but in that instance i think they would say he waited til the gate was opened before entering onto the pier

 

[chrome21]

these are the rules The South Pier (South Shields) is included bar the Round End, the foundations any part closed to the PUBLIC are strictly OUT OF BOUNDS what do you make of this it says nothing about getting to your mark like every angler over the years has done they took there chance and went on to the pier in the hope that the gate would be open if not then they would have had to get off. in futre the club may have to make it more clear or put a signe on the gate to all anglers not to pass this point unless the gate is open. then the other problem arises what if the gateman locks the gate once the anglers are on to stop PUBLIC ACSESS and other anglers turn up later what do the rule's say there. l have to admit l would of not like to have told the angler he broke the rules as did many other anglers that fished the pier and had fish we all make mistakes and learn by them but after 63 years what more can l say

saying that the pier was closed to the public then all who fished the pier should be disqualified
glad i dont fish comps gets too confusing with rules

 

[conoflexman]

wd mate

wd mate

just a joke well done 2 the lad who should have won i wonder if his face dident fit

 

[ROBBIEMAC]

there is a notice on the first gate that says no fishing allowed on the pier the Port of Tyne could enforce this and nobody would get on. 2 years ago they were kicking everbody off when they closed the gates because something had happerned and they even had 2 policemen at the first gate to make sure everone was off.

 

[rustik]

we fished around the 44 mark,there was about 5 people at the gate when we got there(7.45)port of tyne opened the gates about 8.05,the gates did get locked again as a friend and his son came to see what was happening had to climb around but there was also members of the public on.What would of happened if the lad in question had of left his gear on pier then walked down for the gate being opened? i think its a bit harsh on the lad but i enjoyed the day and had a gud laugh,cheers russ

p.s only just recovered,didnt leave the crown till 10pm
p.s.s had a message off my mate saying he enjoyed his lobster lol

 

[jimmy]

i for one would like to hear from a club official to explain about not fishing where the public are denied access, yet have the pier open for the open but not to the public.
Therefore the pier was closed to the public and should have been out of bounds, therefore any fish caught from the pier should not count and any angler fishing the pier disqualified,.

thats how the rules interpret " no public access", pier gates locked = NO PUBLIC ACCESS

 

[sless]

Well there is going to be some facts on this matter posted tonight

 

[louis268]

So is every other angler disqualified for crossing the railings around the cliffs. That must be out of bounds too I can't see how he was fishing on SOUTH SHEILDS pier in the SOUTH SHEILDS open and gets disqualified when ppl camp out on there marks all night that competitions rules doesn't seem right to me I'll not fish that competition I feel for the lad he paid his entry fee and gets stung with a silly rule if the rule was due to safety then why wasn't cliff anglers disqualified on the same grounds

 

[Stores]

With all due respect to everyone who has posted I think the best thing to do is hold your peace and wait for an official explanation. Once the facts are known we can all voice our opinions. What worries me is the can of worms we might be opening here.

 

[louis268]

With all due respect to everyone who has posted I think the best thing to do is hold your peace and wait for an official explanation. Once the facts are known we can all voice our opinions. What worries me is the can of worms we might be opening here.

Fair enough mate

 

[jimmy]

I the chairman of the s/s angling club have been reading your comments carefully regarding the disqualification of an angler yesterday,firstly i was the one who asked the angler to weigh in before the committee held their meeting to establish all the facts. The rules were clearly stated in local tackle shops and in the program which all anglers had a copy of,there was nobody to be past the gate before 8am which came from the port of tyne authority. the decision to disqualify the angler was not taken lightly, but if these rules had of been broken for one angler that would have caused outrage ! we are sorry but rules are there for a purpose and anybody who does not clearly understand them should contact one of the committee members or marshals. The open competition has been a successful event for 63 years, and would like to thank everyone for their support. We are very sorry for this outcome after what was a very successful day that was enjoyed by many, on behalf of the committee we hope to continue with the open competition for many more years. regards

Taken from another thread, nice of him to reply but in all honesty it really doesnt explain much, hopefully we may hear some more from a committee member, and that might put an end to the matter.

 

[skiny]

With all due respect to everyone who has posted I think the best thing to do is hold your peace and wait for an official explanation. Once the facts are known we can all voice our opinions. What worries me is the can of worms we might be opening here.

yes agree to a certain extent ,but would an official explanation been forthcoming if the site had not opened a discussion on the subject.

Today 09:29 PM
jimmy i for one would like to hear from a club official to explain about not fishing where the public are denied access, yet have the pier open for the open but not to the public.
Therefore the pier was closed to the public and should have been out of bounds, therefore any fish caught from the pier should not count and any angler fishing the pier disqualified,.

thats how the rules interpret " no public access", pier gates locked = NO PUBLIC ACCESS
iv was going to ask that one on here as well jim,all shoul;d be excluded from the prize table that fished from the pier ,theres just to many points to be taken into consideration ie like said lads crossing signs on the cliffs.

 

[eddie t]

. What worries me is the can of worms we might be opening here.

More like a big can of worm that's has been opened.

 

[Codcodcod!]

I've dug the brochure out the car.

It says South Shields Pier is included if the gate is open but not the round end or its foundations.

Any area that is closed to the public is strictly out of bounds.

South Shields club will not be held responsible for any angler crossing any safety barrier on the cliff tops or ANYWHERE within the permitted boundaries.

So my take on this is-

The pier was open to the Anglers of the open cos the Anglers were told so and the gate opened for a bit.

The safety barrier was shut (the gate entrance to the pier) before 8am and during the match. Therefore, Individuals who entered onto the pier, before, during and while leaving did so at there own risk as it was within a permitted boundary.

I can honsetly say, I can't see where the lad broke the rules.

 

[flatheed]

I've dug the brochure out the car.

It says South Shields Pier is included if the gate is open but not the round end or its foundations.

Any area that is closed to the public is strictly out of bounds.

South Shields club will not be held responsible for any angler crossing any safety barrier on the cliff tops or ANYWHERE within the permitted boundaries.

So my take on this is-

The pier was open to the Anglers of the open cos the Anglers were told so and the gate opened for a bit.

The safety barrier was shut (the gate entrance to the pier) before 8am and during the match. Therefore, Individuals who entered onto the pier did so at there own risk as it was within a permitted boundary.

I see the point your making mate however, those who cross railings (on the cliffs etc) do so at their own risk, therefore it is an advisory. The lad that went on the pier trespassed as he did so when it was locked before 8am. The Port of Tyne opened the pier as a favour to the club for selected members of the public with all the caveats mentioned, public liability etc. There is no getting away from the fact the lad gained an advantage, by climbing round the gate, on those that were waiting until 8am as advised (I believe).

I know the lad concerned and he's a good bloke and I dont believe there was any intent on his part. Its just a shame it all ends up like this, the committee were put in a very awkward position but I think they made the correct decision. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. You can come up with as many different senarios as you like about fishing the river then wanting to go on the pier but, its not relevant prior to 8am the pier was closed to any and all members of the public. I have nothing to do with the club by the way just my view on events.

 

[rustik]

i fished the pier,the gates where open when i went on(8.05) and just opened as i came off(3.45ish)i didnt know the gates where closed again until a friend came on to see how things where going(as he had to climb round)there will be others who didnt know gates had been closed aswell,there were also a few members of the public on,could the pier have been closed to the public due to the fact there was alot of anglers casting(health and safety)all in all i and my mate had a very good day and a good laugh just a shame its been marred by this,very big mistake

this is the 2nd time fishing a comp and weve picked up some good advice(sun)we were fortunate to have a few s.s club members beside us,thanks again,,russ

and i for 1,and can vouch for my mate,never saw a problem with lad in question being on pier as reading alot about people fishing comps they will camp out at there chosen marks the day before lol also rule book states you can fish 1hr and a half before comp so that would of took him to 9.30 so that time the pier was already open

 

[flynnt]

what time did there shut the gates BEFORE THE OPEN STARTED

so everybody on the pier is breaking the rules as the gates shut BEFORE THE OPEN STARTED and not open to the public

SUMTHING FISHY ABOUT THESES RULES

 

[jimmy]

I've dug the brochure out the car.

It says South Shields Pier is included if the gate is open but not the round end or its foundations.

Any area that is closed to the public is strictly out of bounds.

South Shields club will not be held responsible for any angler crossing any safety barrier on the cliff tops or ANYWHERE within the permitted boundaries.

So my take on this is-

The pier was open to the Anglers of the open cos the Anglers were told so and the gate opened for a bit.

The safety barrier was shut (the gate entrance to the pier) before 8am and during the match. Therefore, Individuals who entered onto the pier, before, during and while leaving did so at there own risk as it was within a permitted boundary.

I can honsetly say, I can't see where the lad broke the rules.

thats a copy of the rules for the open,


Any area that is closed to the public is strictly out of bounds.

therefore anyone fishing when the gates were locked was out of bounds

 

[Codcodcod!]

thats a copy of the rules for the open,


Any area that is closed to the public is strictly out of bounds.

therefore anyone fishing when the gates were locked was out of bounds

They were locked on my way back off!

Where do I hand my Rucksack back then!