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scotchkeith
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hi! Stores im a bit slow at pc . i am a fairly smoker heavy living in scotland. i have go outside to smoke at work, the pub, the restaurant, any where enclosed on three sides. smokers have to walk like some dunce who is sent to stand in the corner in front of the whole class, that is what the agitating anti-smokers want. sorry S i am guilty of not knowing forum stuff will have to learn some etiquette! nite
scotchkeith
Member
hello nesa members! scotch keith here as new member. not v.g.with computers but have finally made contact! hope you all well even my fellow smokers. when i started fishing 30 odd years ago i started smoking at the same time ,just a coincdence. now ifeel worse if i forget my bait elastic than i if i forget my fags!
Charlie_Thompson
Well-known member
Bob lad, the tabs are bad man!
Don't start now you'll regret it
Don't start now you'll regret it
willywetegg
Administrator
LMAO David, Hwcbe was fishing so that is why he did not reply mate.
Jim.
Jim.
marksworld
Well-known member
just a few points.
bob you mentioned smoking while driving and it being dangerous, well if thats the case we should all not be allowed to have car stereos,and talk to our passengers as they both distract us.
i enjoy my fags and have done since i was 13 years old, i know the risks but the risk is mine to take. we all got to die sometime, thats life.
i am not an arogant smoker though and wont smoke where i am not allowed, ie airports, non smoking parts of pubs etc, i have enough will power to wait until i am outside.
at the moment most of our pubs we can still smoke in and no one or no law says we cant, if i have been standing at bar for a few hours and someone comes in and start comlaining about me smoking they can move because i wont, why should i, i was there first.
i dont drop my butt ends on the ground in towns and citys because now you will be fined, normally i would nip it or find a bin with an ashtray as i do beleive that fag ends are litter the same as paper and empty bottles, cans of pop etc
one big point is why havent the powers to be/pub chains havent thought of making certain bars non smoking and certain bars smoking. i tell you why, because the non smokers would complain that they could not or would not go into a smoking bar, the smokers on the other hand just wouldn't have a fag in the non smoking bar until they left.
in paris there has been a smoking ban in pubs for years but the french like everything else they dont like took a stand and said F**k this and continued
to smoke, its about time we took a few leaves out of their book and that is just not about smoking.
last but not least, i heard on the newes some guy from germany is setting up his own airline company which allows smokers to smoke on the planes, i think he is flying them between china, japan, india and places where most of the population smokes, fantastic idea which will make him a fortune acording to the news headlines
cheers
mark
bob you mentioned smoking while driving and it being dangerous, well if thats the case we should all not be allowed to have car stereos,and talk to our passengers as they both distract us.
i enjoy my fags and have done since i was 13 years old, i know the risks but the risk is mine to take. we all got to die sometime, thats life.
i am not an arogant smoker though and wont smoke where i am not allowed, ie airports, non smoking parts of pubs etc, i have enough will power to wait until i am outside.
at the moment most of our pubs we can still smoke in and no one or no law says we cant, if i have been standing at bar for a few hours and someone comes in and start comlaining about me smoking they can move because i wont, why should i, i was there first.
i dont drop my butt ends on the ground in towns and citys because now you will be fined, normally i would nip it or find a bin with an ashtray as i do beleive that fag ends are litter the same as paper and empty bottles, cans of pop etc
one big point is why havent the powers to be/pub chains havent thought of making certain bars non smoking and certain bars smoking. i tell you why, because the non smokers would complain that they could not or would not go into a smoking bar, the smokers on the other hand just wouldn't have a fag in the non smoking bar until they left.
in paris there has been a smoking ban in pubs for years but the french like everything else they dont like took a stand and said F**k this and continued
to smoke, its about time we took a few leaves out of their book and that is just not about smoking.
last but not least, i heard on the newes some guy from germany is setting up his own airline company which allows smokers to smoke on the planes, i think he is flying them between china, japan, india and places where most of the population smokes, fantastic idea which will make him a fortune acording to the news headlines
cheers
mark
Charlie_Thompson
Well-known member
"On a slightly different tack - Eileen has had her new job evaluation results today, along with all the other APT&C staff at school. Apart from the cleaners they have all seen massive pay cuts, some up to £9000 of their original salary (no salary was over £19,000) Eileens cut is £3000.
Most said they were off to the pub...................................
Scotland here we come I think."
Criminal, absolutely Criminal David!
Most said they were off to the pub...................................
Scotland here we come I think."
Criminal, absolutely Criminal David!
Yep....we've all being going through the "job evaluation" process during the past few months, too, David. We've been told that "nobody will "lose out" and that there may well be a few "winners" from it...............not spoken to anybody who actually believes THAT, though. It's just another cost cutting exercise..............you do more work and get get a cut in salary in the process !
I sympathise Steve......but what "job evaluation" is about is not "pay rises"........you get the same (usually more) responsibility and workload AND your salary is CUT - not a case of staying on the same salary scale even though you're doing the same / more work.......it's a "demotion" for doing MORE work and having added resonsibility.
Regarding the "smoking" side of this topic................some people smoke - others don't - accept it.......it's a big world out there and everybody's different. If I can, I'd offer this advice - Don't generalise about PEOPLE (on this topic or regarding other issues) - as that says more about YOUR inadequacies then those of others.
The above also goes for the "shopping" and "arsehole parents" topics.
The above also goes for the "shopping" and "arsehole parents" topics.
Stores
Well-known member
Tony - our school alone will save over £80,000 from the job evaluations. My boss is straight enough and he stood up at a meeting and said that he was in charge of his school's budget (which he is) and that he would continue to pay people on the present scale until they left. He was politely informed he couldn't. Not only have they down graded people, they've also capped the top of each scale, making it impossible to get back where you were.
So - quick recap, as I see it:
1. Government tells teachers they can't do non teaching jobs so a number of teachers leave (cost saving)
2. They are replaced with lower paid staff (cost saving)
3. The new staff are then faced with a reduction in pay, anything up to 40% (cost saving)
4. They will now all leave or put up and shut up (morale dive)
Just as well the Government's slogan is "EDUCATION, eDUCATION eDUKASHION" or we'd really be for it.
So - quick recap, as I see it:
1. Government tells teachers they can't do non teaching jobs so a number of teachers leave (cost saving)
2. They are replaced with lower paid staff (cost saving)
3. The new staff are then faced with a reduction in pay, anything up to 40% (cost saving)
4. They will now all leave or put up and shut up (morale dive)
Just as well the Government's slogan is "EDUCATION, eDUCATION eDUKASHION" or we'd really be for it.
SIXFOOTSTEVE
Well-known member
Sorry for removing my last post but people have been sacked for anti ( wherever I work ) public exposure ,basically all is not great and it's definately getting worse ,all new staff to start on 16% less and the same for promotions .
SIXFOOTSTEVE
Well-known member
And start that new life I said you'd be good at !
well i smoke, i know the results of smoking i work with them all day in nursing homes etc but i dont drink and at the end of the day i dont tell people not to drink so i'll befecked if i'm going to be told to pack in, to many people tellin other people wot to do,mind your own business and live your own life instead of mine
Stores
Well-known member
Norman - you're wrong. It's not time for experienced teachers to retire - it's time for them to be allowed to teach and show others, that the HE system is failing, how to teach (I don't blame Higher Education either - they've also been financially shafted)
STEVE - you're wrong - I can still take people for a walk with a rod, basket and bait and catch as well as "coach" - if that's the right word.
BUT
The longer this goes on and the more depressing it gets..... the more I'll come round to your way of thinking.
STEVE - you're wrong - I can still take people for a walk with a rod, basket and bait and catch as well as "coach" - if that's the right word.
BUT
The longer this goes on and the more depressing it gets..... the more I'll come round to your way of thinking.
willywetegg
Administrator
I have left this post alone for a few nights now, waiting for a post from Bob to answer his questions that have been answered lots of times.
I came in tonight to see your name at the bottom of the thread and thought great.
Unfortunately it had been deleted, by whom I don't know.
I really hope it wasn't you Bob as there is so much I still want to hear on this subject mate.
Jim.
I came in tonight to see your name at the bottom of the thread and thought great.
Unfortunately it had been deleted, by whom I don't know.
I really hope it wasn't you Bob as there is so much I still want to hear on this subject mate.
Jim.
willywetegg
Administrator
I posted earlier about not continuing with my job when the smoking ban comes in, it appears that option no longer exists for me now.
A few months ago my bosses were under the same idea as you Bob. They said that the smoking ban would never affect their pub. I told them that they had better think again and asked them if they had asked most of the regulars, they replied no so I told them they had better.
They were very shocked when they did ask, as most of them said they would not be coming back in. As well as the smokers that said they would not be in, their non smoking friends also said that they would not be coming in either as the darts team would be no more as would one or two other things and they didn't fancy sitting there by themselves.
I have read lots of reports (mainly organised by the government) that say the ban has not affected pubs in Ireland and Scotland. However having been to Scotland several times and having spoken to pub landlords up there reality seems quite a bit different.
All of the landlords I spoke to in Scotland said that as we have had a good summer the smoking ban had not really hurt them as the smokers could sit outside at a nice warm sunny table.They all said they were dreading the winter as custom would definately drop.
My mate that runs the pub where I work is a biker and he and some friends toured all over Scotland a while back and he said exactly the same thing. He is not a smoker and has nothing to gain from saying that the ban is not good for the trade.
As for Ireland I can only go by what I have been told by some Customers from Ireland that come into our bar every few weeks and that is the pub trade has been hurt quite badly by the ban and the prices are starting to get even higher for beer as the publicans are trying to claw some of the money back.
My mate and his wife informed me that they have handed in there notice on there lease in the pub and will be leaving some time early in the new year.
So as from the turn of the year I will be looking for a new job, but I won't worry as the ban won't affect me will it Bob.
Jim.
A few months ago my bosses were under the same idea as you Bob. They said that the smoking ban would never affect their pub. I told them that they had better think again and asked them if they had asked most of the regulars, they replied no so I told them they had better.
They were very shocked when they did ask, as most of them said they would not be coming back in. As well as the smokers that said they would not be in, their non smoking friends also said that they would not be coming in either as the darts team would be no more as would one or two other things and they didn't fancy sitting there by themselves.
I have read lots of reports (mainly organised by the government) that say the ban has not affected pubs in Ireland and Scotland. However having been to Scotland several times and having spoken to pub landlords up there reality seems quite a bit different.
All of the landlords I spoke to in Scotland said that as we have had a good summer the smoking ban had not really hurt them as the smokers could sit outside at a nice warm sunny table.They all said they were dreading the winter as custom would definately drop.
My mate that runs the pub where I work is a biker and he and some friends toured all over Scotland a while back and he said exactly the same thing. He is not a smoker and has nothing to gain from saying that the ban is not good for the trade.
As for Ireland I can only go by what I have been told by some Customers from Ireland that come into our bar every few weeks and that is the pub trade has been hurt quite badly by the ban and the prices are starting to get even higher for beer as the publicans are trying to claw some of the money back.
My mate and his wife informed me that they have handed in there notice on there lease in the pub and will be leaving some time early in the new year.
So as from the turn of the year I will be looking for a new job, but I won't worry as the ban won't affect me will it Bob.
Jim.
marksworld
Well-known member
(quote)
I have read lots of reports (mainly organised by the government) that say the ban has not affected pubs in Ireland and Scotland. (quote)
my uncle lives in ireland and the local which he drinks in has seen about 20 or 30 regulars leave the pub since the law came in. most of them just stay at home now and drink a few have set up bars in there garages and some who went to the pub just have a bit craic while the sport was on have got themselves sky installed, the landlord says he has lost a good few drinkers who smoked and for a small country pub it could mean closing
but have you heard the good news about hopefully being able to buy our fags at EU prices from the net. i caught the back end of a discussion on radio 2 about a new law that will come into effect that will allow us to buy fags and booze on line at EU prices. i dont know the whole story mind, but what was said was this will be the end of the booze cruise
jim sorry to here you will be out of the pub in the new year m8 as the stories you have told me have sounded like you worked in a great place with relly good bosses, what a shame they are handing in their notice
cheers
mark
I have read lots of reports (mainly organised by the government) that say the ban has not affected pubs in Ireland and Scotland. (quote)
my uncle lives in ireland and the local which he drinks in has seen about 20 or 30 regulars leave the pub since the law came in. most of them just stay at home now and drink a few have set up bars in there garages and some who went to the pub just have a bit craic while the sport was on have got themselves sky installed, the landlord says he has lost a good few drinkers who smoked and for a small country pub it could mean closing
but have you heard the good news about hopefully being able to buy our fags at EU prices from the net. i caught the back end of a discussion on radio 2 about a new law that will come into effect that will allow us to buy fags and booze on line at EU prices. i dont know the whole story mind, but what was said was this will be the end of the booze cruise
jim sorry to here you will be out of the pub in the new year m8 as the stories you have told me have sounded like you worked in a great place with relly good bosses, what a shame they are handing in their notice
cheers
mark
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mark
Well-known member
Test case in Brussels at the minute, the UK customs and excise are obviously fighting it 110%, but they don't really have a leg to stand on, as it flies in the face of EU competition and open mark rules, so.... in a couple of months you could be able to buy your fags from estonia at around £7 for 200, plus postage. the case is basically proving that you are entitled to pay tax at source of anything purchased in the EU and not have to pay it again..
more interestingly this case has huge implictions for the road fuel business.
If you make your own bio diesel, you must pay the duty, but... it would appear there is a loop hole where you can pay the duty direct to brussels and not into Gordon's pockets, so you could send the money straight there, and legally will have complied with the law....UK duty - around 70-odd pence per litre, bio diesel duty paid directto the EU... around 0.35 euro,
