summer codling

[topbanana]

We all know that summer codling in the weed are red right ? Now I've always classed them as the same fish as winter codling. Confused ? Bare with me lol.

Now when I'm sat in the house and the missus is watching the usual crud on the box, east enders etc, I tend to just read about fishing on the net.

Now to the point. Red codling, kelpies, summer codling or wier codling as stores calls them lol. I think they are the same genetically but live different lives to each other, just my thoughts. A bit like the brown trout and sea trout, they're both genetically the same fish (I think) but lead different lives as one migrates to the sea and the other stays in the river, yes ? Right, so in the summer the vast majority of fish are the red fish which are resident fish and in the winter you get more fresh run fish but still get the deep red fish as well at times.

So what's peoples thoughts and opinions on this ? Just thought I would put it out there and see what pops up.

Cheers.

 

[finseeker]

RED COD LIVING IN THE KELP - Question about kelpies ......

you might find the above thread interesting mate....

 

[topbanana]

RED COD LIVING IN THE KELP - Question about kelpies ......

you might find the above thread interesting mate....

Jesus that's just boiled me head lol. There's no real definative answer is there. Cheers for that mate.

 

[Charlton]

Jesus that's just boiled me head lol. There's no real definative answer is there. Cheers for that mate.

yes there is kelpies, red cod, summer cod weir cod they are all the same genetically being the same species they have to be, it is the time they spend in the sea weed that turns them darker, you get one that has been in a long long time it will be almost black.

 

[Juliogeordio]

Yeah I thought it was straightforward aswell haha ;-)

 

[alaza]

Just read that whitby post...seems to be a bit of a poser.

Very interesting read all the same.

 

[topbanana]

yes there is kelpies, red cod, summer cod weir cod they are all the same genetically being the same species they have to be, it is the time they spend in the sea weed that turns them darker, you get one that has been in a long long time it will be almost black.

When I say kelpie, red cod, weir cod etc. I'm just refering to what people call them alan. Without doubt they are the same genetically. Its an interesting topic though.

 

[alaza]

To me, i think its down the the surroundings they live in, adaptng to there environment.

Look at some of the big boat caught cod, some are nearly white.

 

[Codcodcod!]

Anyone caught a Bright red cod at night? By red I mean red not dark...

I've never seen one or at the scales in a match.

These fish are either daylight feeders or change colour very quickly...

 

[finseeker]

Anyone caught a Bright red cod at night? By red I mean red not dark...

I've never seen one or at the scales in a match.

These fish are either daylight feeders or change colour very quickly...

ive never personally but know of lads that have had them on calm summer nights, not bag fulls mind just the odd fish

 

[alaza]

"change colour very quickly"

Very interesting that, do you notice when you get your fish home, how the skin under the fins turn white? mmmmm.

 

[Billzo]

"change colour very quickly"

Very interesting that, do you notice when you get your fish home, how the skin under the fins turn white? mmmmm.

2 b honest m8 i think its how ya handle them 2 unhook, they also end up with white finger marks all over as if they r scorched with the heat of ya hands.

 

[g.ordon]

heard somewhere that the resident or kelpies are more likely to be riddled with worms, any truth?

 

[Juliogeordio]

Anyone caught a Bright red cod at night? By red I mean red not dark...

I've never seen one or at the scales in a match.

These fish are either daylight feeders or change colour very quickly...

I've see a couple taken at night mate but think it may have something to do with less anglers venturing onto rock marks during the night hence less fish taken.!intersting theory about them possibly being daylight feeders though!

 

[kayos]

Here's a couple of thoughts. In the 70's when the Clyde had no trawlers there was believed to be a year round resident cod population that never left the Clyde. You could catch red cod all year round.

Also maybe it is not just the camouflage aspect, maybe like pink flamingos what they eat(prawns) might have an effect in turning them red too?

Probably daft, but just an idea.

 

[BillQuay]

Rock codling

Rock codling

Hi, My understanding is that red codling, normally called rock codling are exactly the same species as normal winter codling. The codling go red due to living in the seaweed,ie kelp. The iodine in the seaweed turns them reddy brown colour.
Maybe someone can confirm.

 

[lumpsucker]

Hi, My understanding is that red codling, normally called rock codling are exactly the same species as normal winter codling. The codling go red due to living in the seaweed,ie kelp. The iodine in the seaweed turns them reddy brown colour.
Maybe someone can confirm.

I thought it was the iron content in the foodchain

 

[Charlton]

Anyone caught a Bright red cod at night? By red I mean red not dark...

I've never seen one or at the scales in a match.

These fish are either daylight feeders or change colour very quickly...

been to many weigh ins at night and during the day they turn up whether it is daylight or night time

 

[Ian Alexander]

Hello, good post this.
These are my thoughts for what they are worth. All the cod and codling are the same but they take on the colouration of the habitat that they are living in at that time. ( I did once read that the irish sea cod were genetically different slightly to the North sea cod in that they had an extra vertebrae or something lie that but how true this is I don't know).

In the summer months with the extended daylight the kelp beds are thicker and denser and they are abundant in food, crabs, squat lobsters and the like so the fish become resident and take on the general red colour of the kelp.

Sometimes you find that fish from the river or the beaches can be almost white when they are caught as they have spent a lot of time over cleaner ground.

The summer red cod do have more worms in them and this is because they are feeding in an environment where they pick up a parasitic worm introduced into the food chain by seal poo.

I love the red summer fish though.....even being out there fishing for them is a great feeling.
A couple of photos.

Here is an 11 pounder that was almost white when first caught.



And here's a real bonnie summer fish



This is what the red fish are after.



Regards Ian

 

[finseeker]

ive noticed when summer fishing for the reds if you get a bit of offshore wind enough to put a chop/white top on the water it can totally knock the fishing dead even in clear water and bright sunshine and as soon as the wind drops there back on the feed...
anyone else found this ?