boatangler33
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here here,spot on chris!
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here here,spot on chris!
KeithB
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Don't know if this is true but I was told it costs a local skipper £25 per punter just to break even, he charges the punters £38 each so that's £156 profit for a very long day assuming the boat is full. Taking into account the amount of lost days to weather it's never gonna make him rich.
It wasn't that long ago red diesel was 33p per litre I'm guessing it's well over a quid now.
A £7 increase is nowt, crikey, I can loose gear worth that in 2 drifts.
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Welcome to the site, hope your next post is a good catch report.
It wasn't that long ago red diesel was 33p per litre I'm guessing it's well over a quid now.
A £7 increase is nowt, crikey, I can loose gear worth that in 2 drifts.
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Welcome to the site, hope your next post is a good catch report.
boatangler33
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davie is a canny skipper you should of had a word with him about the price rises and the short trip he would have put you straight!
kingcod deano
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the same happened to me years and years ago on a boat called topcat at blyth we had to deliver some parts to the wind turbines at sea it wasted about 3 hours of our trip and the skipper charged full price still but we got a phone call from him the week after saying we could have a free day out on his boat for the inconvience personally i it was me at sea and a boat needed help i would defently oblige without a second thought as you need as many friends as possible at sea incase the same happens to you
Im guessing but say the £32 was for 8 hours fishing? thats £4 per hour.
You didnt say how much your trip was cut short ?
Say it was 2 hours i think it would be reasonable for him to knock £8 off the price as its a good gesture to help out a fellow boat owner but i wouldnt expect the customers to pay for it.
I presume you didnt say anything to him at the time and just paid him the full amount? Your post was pretty vague but sounds as if you didnt even say anything to him about feeling ripped off, when you probably should have instead of venting your frustration on here
I'm glad to see someone finally started to ask the right questions black cat. Exactly how long was the trip cut short? well i've fished with davie for a number of years now and i have no complaints. I know a lot of people who fish with davie and i made a few enquiries because i must admit this shocked me but here are the facts as i know it:
1. how long was the trip cut sort? - not much if any aparrantly the boat they towed in was picked up a mile from the peirs and the party landed on the Dock at 4.20 pm davies trips are normally set sail at 8 back on dock at 4 so given that you were probably due back in anyway i hardly think the day was cut short by anything significant.
2. how many people were on the boat? i believe the answer was 5. as there was only 5 the skipper has to cut cloth accordingly ask yourself would you go over the wrecks if you were going to run up a loss i know i would not after all its his lively hood.
3 how many fish did you catch- some people think going out on a boat means you are going to catch 20 - 30 keepers well those days are long gone apart from the odd freak day. the average is probably about 8 - 10. Ive been out with davie 3 times this year and i've took home 29 fish all between 2 and 5lb and all on the rough ground not the wrecks. I went wrecking on the JFK twice two years ago at a cost of £70 and caught 1 ling but i do not blame the skipper its fishing!
4 the cost - Like i mentioned i've been out with davy for the past 5 years and i can never remember him charging less than £28 except when theres beeen a problem and he has come in early i.e. the weather turns bad. He only put his prices up to £32 this year as he had held them at £30 for the previous 3 years. Given the cost of fuel rises over the past 4 years an increase of £4 is bloody good. and £32 for an 8 hour trip compares with others.
5. It was the cousin who asked davie if he would tow the other boat in because they knew davy would be on way back in and the other boat was going to shoot their pots. They also asked the warlord woho was still south of the island and he was also going to do it but davy was nearer
From a personal point of view i would recommend Davy as a skipper who always puts you were there are fish sure he does not go wrecking sometimes but if you ask him he will tell you why i.e. wats the point of going wrecking when the tides are big and you will simply zip over and catch nowt.
I'll be out with davy on Friday again and i would recommend anyone who wants a laff and a good days fishing gives him a bell he's never let me down.
1. how long was the trip cut sort? - not much if any aparrantly the boat they towed in was picked up a mile from the peirs and the party landed on the Dock at 4.20 pm davies trips are normally set sail at 8 back on dock at 4 so given that you were probably due back in anyway i hardly think the day was cut short by anything significant.
2. how many people were on the boat? i believe the answer was 5. as there was only 5 the skipper has to cut cloth accordingly ask yourself would you go over the wrecks if you were going to run up a loss i know i would not after all its his lively hood.
3 how many fish did you catch- some people think going out on a boat means you are going to catch 20 - 30 keepers well those days are long gone apart from the odd freak day. the average is probably about 8 - 10. Ive been out with davie 3 times this year and i've took home 29 fish all between 2 and 5lb and all on the rough ground not the wrecks. I went wrecking on the JFK twice two years ago at a cost of £70 and caught 1 ling but i do not blame the skipper its fishing!
4 the cost - Like i mentioned i've been out with davy for the past 5 years and i can never remember him charging less than £28 except when theres beeen a problem and he has come in early i.e. the weather turns bad. He only put his prices up to £32 this year as he had held them at £30 for the previous 3 years. Given the cost of fuel rises over the past 4 years an increase of £4 is bloody good. and £32 for an 8 hour trip compares with others.
5. It was the cousin who asked davie if he would tow the other boat in because they knew davy would be on way back in and the other boat was going to shoot their pots. They also asked the warlord woho was still south of the island and he was also going to do it but davy was nearer
From a personal point of view i would recommend Davy as a skipper who always puts you were there are fish sure he does not go wrecking sometimes but if you ask him he will tell you why i.e. wats the point of going wrecking when the tides are big and you will simply zip over and catch nowt.
I'll be out with davy on Friday again and i would recommend anyone who wants a laff and a good days fishing gives him a bell he's never let me down.
The Jester
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Welcome to the forum Pansize, and an informative post for your first one.
I think charter skippers get a rough deal of a small minority of punters, read the sunday Sun this weekend and see what some punters get up to
The Jester
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Look forward to that Alan, thanks 
Thanks mate it just bugs me when people only post half the story.Welcome to the forum Pansize, and an informative post for your first one.
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I would not normally respond to postings on this site about my boat, but it seems to be getting out of hand and the allegation that are being made are far from the truth.
The facts are as follows,
I was asked by the cousin (or cosun ) of the broken down vessel about 15.30pm which was the time was I going back to the Harbour and could I tow the boat back that had broken down.
After a discussion on the VHF another charter boat out of Amble offered a tow but he was about 3 miles away.
The Cousin’s boat is a 23 foot Salmon drift net boat and was half a mile south of the broken down vessel, there was another 20 foot pleasure boat fishing in the same area as my self.
As the disabled boat was a 33ft kingfisher salmon/potting boat weighing in at around 9 tons and the other two boats of around 20ft they would have made hard going of towing a vessel of this size.
As I was only half a mile from the broken down vessel to save the other charter vessel making a detour I took the Tow.
As far as this fellow complaining about his trip being cut short it is completely untrue and when I took the tow we would have been heading back to port anyway.
The total distance the vessel was towed was just over a mile and by the time I towed the vessel the 200yards up the river to his berth from were we normally land and returned to the steps were we drop off
The time was exactly 16.22pm.
I have no regrets about towing the broken down vessel in and as far as this bloke saying his trip has been cut short he was 20 minutes late getting off the boat.
I would also point out that as long as it does not interfere the running of my vessel i.e. time at sea, and it does not put my passengers at risk and most important of all the weather conditions are suitable I and most other Skipper would offer assistance, but without any doubt if at any time I thought myself or my vessel was not up to the task I would call the Coastguard who would in turn page the RNLI.
As far as me ripping him off, the last time this fellow was on my boat was 2009. He’s even on my website catch report for 2009 Amble Boat Charter - latest catches he’s the one in the centre holding up two codlings next to the girl. (soon to be removed)
He might have paid £25 on his last trip, but this could have been a shortened trip due to weather or tidal restrictions of the harbour or an early finish due to the weather, something that I have always done.
I have tried to keep the charter rate as low as possible and I have increased the charter rate by £2 midweek and £5 at the weekend this year after many years of charging £30 a trip.
Most normal people ask how much the trip costs before they book, not turn up and expect to pay 2009 prices and then moan about the price of the trip after they have gone.
If he feels aggrieved I will gladly reinbersed the £1 for the ¼ of an hour he feels his trip was cut short by helping someone out.
He also states that he has been ripped of by being charged £32 and he can get a trip for £20 and £25.
For an 8 hour trip out of Amble all the boats are around the £30 mark.
I think you can get a trip for around £25 but they are 6 hour trips and the boats run two trips a day.
He says he is going to fish out of Craster (lucky Doug). Just for the record many years ago, Douggie had a problem with his boat and I had him under tow until the sons could tow him back to Craster with the
Thomas “H”. I wonder if he would be complaining about his trip being cut short when he could have been
on board under tow.
At the end of the day we spend a lot of money on safety gear and surveys to comply with MCA codes of practice and anybody can break down there is no warning of a prop shaft shearing.
Nobody is immune from breaking down I have even been on an RNLI Lifeboat that has temporarily broken down.
You never Know You might Need Help From Someone yourself One DAY!
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I would not normally respond to postings on this site about my boat, but it seems to be getting out of hand and the allegation that are being made are far from the truth.
The facts are as follows,
I was asked by the cousin (or cosun ) of the broken down vessel about 15.30pm which was the time was I going back to the Harbour and could I tow the boat back that had broken down.
After a discussion on the VHF another charter boat out of Amble offered a tow but he was about 3 miles away.
The Cousin’s boat is a 23 foot Salmon drift net boat and was half a mile south of the broken down vessel, there was another 20 foot pleasure boat fishing in the same area as my self.
As the disabled boat was a 33ft kingfisher salmon/potting boat weighing in at around 9 tons and the other two boats of around 20ft they would have made hard going of towing a vessel of this size.
As I was only half a mile from the broken down vessel to save the other charter vessel making a detour I took the Tow.
As far as this fellow complaining about his trip being cut short it is completely untrue and when I took the tow we would have been heading back to port anyway.
The total distance the vessel was towed was just over a mile and by the time I towed the vessel the 200yards up the river to his berth from were we normally land and returned to the steps were we drop off
The time was exactly 16.22pm.
I have no regrets about towing the broken down vessel in and as far as this bloke saying his trip has been cut short he was 20 minutes late getting off the boat.
I would also point out that as long as it does not interfere the running of my vessel i.e. time at sea, and it does not put my passengers at risk and most important of all the weather conditions are suitable I and most other Skipper would offer assistance, but without any doubt if at any time I thought myself or my vessel was not up to the task I would call the Coastguard who would in turn page the RNLI.
As far as me ripping him off, the last time this fellow was on my boat was 2009. He’s even on my website catch report for 2009 Amble Boat Charter - latest catches he’s the one in the centre holding up two codlings next to the girl. (soon to be removed)
He might have paid £25 on his last trip, but this could have been a shortened trip due to weather or tidal restrictions of the harbour or an early finish due to the weather, something that I have always done.
I have tried to keep the charter rate as low as possible and I have increased the charter rate by £2 midweek and £5 at the weekend this year after many years of charging £30 a trip.
Most normal people ask how much the trip costs before they book, not turn up and expect to pay 2009 prices and then moan about the price of the trip after they have gone.
If he feels aggrieved I will gladly reinbersed the £1 for the ¼ of an hour he feels his trip was cut short by helping someone out.
He also states that he has been ripped of by being charged £32 and he can get a trip for £20 and £25.
For an 8 hour trip out of Amble all the boats are around the £30 mark.
I think you can get a trip for around £25 but they are 6 hour trips and the boats run two trips a day.
He says he is going to fish out of Craster (lucky Doug). Just for the record many years ago, Douggie had a problem with his boat and I had him under tow until the sons could tow him back to Craster with the
Thomas “H”. I wonder if he would be complaining about his trip being cut short when he could have been
on board under tow.
At the end of the day we spend a lot of money on safety gear and surveys to comply with MCA codes of practice and anybody can break down there is no warning of a prop shaft shearing.
Nobody is immune from breaking down I have even been on an RNLI Lifeboat that has temporarily broken down.
You never Know You might Need Help From Someone yourself One DAY!
kayos
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You know mate, I just think your post is so unnecessary. If you had a genuine grievance with your trip, take it up with the Skipper at the time. Its very easy, if not even slightly cowardly to post a complaint on here when the Skipper maybe cannot defend himself, because he hasnt read it. This is the man's living you are playing with.
People may read this and not book his boat, or worse even cancel bookings already made. Have you thought of that? I was at Amble at Easter, all the way from Scotland, and was out on Warlord and EvelynJade. Had two great days with two great Skippers, so there is competition aplenty in the charter boat business down there and I cannot imagine a Skipper would do what you claim, otherwise he wouldnt be in business for very long. The more I think about your post the angrier I am becoming. Be a man and deal with it at the time, with the person in question, rather hiding behind a nickname on here and basically trying to blacken someones good name.
I think perhaps you had a bad days fishing and are looking for someone to blame, when in fact you should be looking closer to home! Perhaps justice will be done, when you try and book a different charter boat in future, only to find no one wants to take your booking!
People may read this and not book his boat, or worse even cancel bookings already made. Have you thought of that? I was at Amble at Easter, all the way from Scotland, and was out on Warlord and EvelynJade. Had two great days with two great Skippers, so there is competition aplenty in the charter boat business down there and I cannot imagine a Skipper would do what you claim, otherwise he wouldnt be in business for very long. The more I think about your post the angrier I am becoming. Be a man and deal with it at the time, with the person in question, rather hiding behind a nickname on here and basically trying to blacken someones good name.
I think perhaps you had a bad days fishing and are looking for someone to blame, when in fact you should be looking closer to home! Perhaps justice will be done, when you try and book a different charter boat in future, only to find no one wants to take your booking!
fisherman58
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Well said Alf,you should not have to explain your actions,there was another boat in trouble and you were able to help,why not send his pic to other charter boats with a NOT WANTED poster,he might get the message you were 100% right in what you did.
boatangler33
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well said davey,theres allways two sides to a story! how could you do anything but tow the boat back in as you were as close and were due to head in anyway! he mustnt of had the backbone to confront you when he was on your boat and as far as the price rise its like anything else when fuel is so expensive youve got to adjust prices to suit! a whole £2 you cant complain at that!
Kentish Bassman
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As a regular on Daves boat I feel that I have got to write in support of a brilliant skipper who will try his best to get everyone on board a fish or two to take home. He has always made me feel welcome with his cheerful banter and his knowledge of the area he fishes in is outstanding. Fair enough he`s had to put his prices up this year but who hasn`t and at £32 I`ve got no complaints whatsoever. I certainly wouldn`t be complaining about a skipper who cuts a trip short to go to the aid of a boat in distress, whether it`s 15 minutes or 3 or 4 hours, it makes no difference and I think you should be proud of your skipper for assisting them without endangering the other boat or the crew on his own boat.
Keep up the good work Dave, see you in a couple of weeks.
Keep up the good work Dave, see you in a couple of weeks.
Mad as a fish
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Having read these posts and come to the conclusion that i would book a trip on your boat Alf no problem, even if i had the trip cut short or did not catch any fish for the simple reason that is fishing you take the good days and the bad days in your stride.
Alf you did the right thing and anyone that is not a complete numpty can see that.
Alf you did the right thing and anyone that is not a complete numpty can see that.
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billyturbot
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dave done right to take him under tow ,and cut his trip short buy 30 minutes ,well done dave
kingcod deano
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you help other boats so if your boat happens to have a problem they repay the favour if he had said no then he would get no help back plus the rnli would have to be called out
