Uptide fishing

[jamesm]

Hi guys , just after some advise from you . I fancy giving uptide fishing a go this autumn ,and was wondering what type of rod and reel i would need as there seem to be so many about . would a cheap £20 rod get me underway for this season ? Give me some help lads . cheers james

 

[Scrubbs]

I would find out the name of this £20 uptide rod and when you ring the skipper to book your uptiding let him know what you are planning to buy.... he will let you know if it is suitable or not.
he may.... maybe... offer to hire you a rod/reel for the day so you will get an idea of what you need.

I personally bought an old shimano and tarted it up a bit.
I will be stripping it next summer and replacing the eyes. but for now it does the business. have you thought of a reel? same thing applies ...ask the skipper

 

[Kartonkel]

Go out on Sapphire.

give Peter a ring and he will talk you through everything. I think he is the only skipper doing uptiding regularely north of Whitby.

rule of thumb:

uptide rod or a longer boat rod with a sensitive tip.

6-8oz grip leads or uptide leads

mono or braid--- matter of taste

multiplyer or fixed ---matter of taste

use bait just like shore anglers do, maybe even bigger and smellier

book only at big tides

 

[Codqueen]

I have done uptiding a couple of times, but never really understood it? If tides are too strong to drift, so that the boat anchors, why not just drop your line over the side of the boat, rather than cast it out? Secondly, if tides aren't too strong to drift, why not drift as usual, as you would cover more ground?

PS Kayos emailed you info on rods and reels.

 

[Paul_h]

Hi guys , just after some advise from you . I fancy giving uptide fishing a go this autumn ,and was wondering what type of rod and reel i would need as there seem to be so many about . would a cheap £20 rod get me underway for this season ? Give me some help lads . cheers james

James,
call the skippers they will hire you a rod for the day to try it, normally £5.
i see your at shields so the tyne boats or sunderland are your closest bets.

it isn't true uptiding its just fishing at anchor some just drop down, some cast 15-30 yards off the back or side. if there is too many on, casting causes havoc !!

If your stuck call the Hartlepool skippers. the boats fish all year,
its a little early for Hartlepool most charters are still on the ground and wrecks, drifting.

if your wanting to go now and prepared to travel, amble boats might be a good call, because its fishing well on the northumberland shore. not sure if they are still drifting though.

if you need numbers go on charterboat uk

Charter Boats in North East

if you get into it its very enjoyable, just fish like you do off the shore/pier, ledgering, the boat sets anchor and head into the wind, drop down/cast out, put your rod down and wait for a bite.

its great on a night, wierd at first, same baits as you would shore fishing, remember you will be well inside just yards from the shore line, so it's relatively shore fishing.

worm is a must for bait along with the normal squid, macky, frozen peeler etc.

i think lone shark, Hartlepool, occasionally fishes into the dark, mid week over the winter months i see him often, not sure about the others they're mostly daytime at weekends with occasional midweek trips.

your gear set up is exactly like shore fishing,
some lads use 6oz grips we use 8oz plain depends on the state of the tide.

a lot of lads use braid, personally and others at the dock, find it too harsh when the fish are in shallow water so we use mono its a more gentle fight. braid isn't necessary.

traces, bottom flowing or two hook above your sinker, depends on the day.

for rods people tend to use a longer, 8-10 foot rod, for a bit of action, but i were you if your normal boat rod isn't a 50lb wrecker just use that.

i use an old conoflex dc6 shore rod with a short butt, 10 footish.
Reel again use your shore reel or if your boat reel if its not too big. remember your not banging it out 80-100 yards

get a daylight trip in before you do a nighter, don't forget your headlamp if you do a nighter.

sorry just edit this, i seemed to have echoed a few of Kartontels points.

hope it helps

Paul

 

[Scrubbs]

I have done uptiding a couple of times, but never really understood it? If tides are too strong to drift, so that the boat anchors, why not just drop your line over the side of the boat, rather than cast it out? Secondly, if tides aren't too strong to drift, why not drift as usual, as you would cover more ground?

PS Kayos emailed you info on rods and reels.

I think the skipper tends to put the boat in a particular place so that the current will place your lead in a gulley or particular spot so as soon as it hits the bottom you let your line in a big bow ... till it goes slack. that means the bait stays in one place. some people do just drop down but it does mean you are very close to the guy next to you(or girl of course:red casting away from the boat means the anglers cover a bit more ground.

this link explains a lot

 

[Paul_h]

I have done uptiding a couple of times, but never really understood it? If tides are too strong to drift, so that the boat anchors, why not just drop your line over the side of the boat, rather than cast it out? Secondly, if tides aren't too strong to drift, why not drift as usual, as you would cover more ground?

PS Kayos emailed you info on rods and reels.

good question Codqueen, can't answer it really, but personally we fish at anchor for comfort, pick a spot a set the pin, moving once or twice if necessary, too much chew pulling the anchor.
however we do occasionally drift, but on the rough, its always on rough ground, tackle loss increases and your on the rod all of the time, just as summer ground fishing.
for us its mainly comfort, cast out, sit down have the crack, bad boys and coffee with hopefully fish in between. i can't wait the anchor will be getting set up on the boat first day i am back....

Paul

 

[Codqueen]

good question Codqueen, can't answer it really, but personally we fish at anchor for comfort, pick a spot a set the pin, moving once or twice if necessary, too much chew pulling the anchor.
however we do occasionally drift, but on the rough, its always on rough ground, tackle loss increases and your on the rod all of the time, just as summer ground fishing.
for us its mainly comfort, cast out, sit down have the crack, bad boys and coffee with hopefully fish in between. i can't wait the anchor will be getting set up on the boat first day i am back....

Paul

Yeah fair enough Paul, I enjoyed it, but I was a bit confused that's all. Also the 2nd time we did it, I just dropped it down the side of the boat. I caught as many and probably more than the others, plus I didn't get tangled up with the rest of the guys casting all over the place. Casting on a boat full of people is extremely dangerous!

PS First time out just myself, Mark and the Skipper (who caught a 52lb Halibut), so I suppose it does work!!

 

[Joe-m]

uptiding was supposedly invented by Cox and Rawle two Thames Estuary charter skipper which on the back of it created a market for uptide rods, uptide hooks, weights etc. the principle of it is in shallow water the anchor rope and boat especially semi triple hulls eg. offshores create a large scare area for big fish the idea was to cast uptide and out from the boat with a grip lead, let out a bow of line, and allow the fish to hook itself against the gripper and pull it out, this casting out was in order to clear the scare area a couple on the back can fish down tide as normal only effective in around 100ft max so they say they had good results with this method in the 70s and uptiding was born hope this explains it, must have been in the bath and put his head under the water and come up with the theory, but I can see the logic in it normally at anchor a couple at the back of the boat trotting their gear down tide out of the scare area does well.

 

[Codqueen]

Thanks Joe, very interesting. I have heard it said (from skippers) that you "cast away from the boat, because the boat scares the fish."

Frankly, being a sceptic, I find that a pile of poo. The same skippers don't tell you to cast away from the "scary" boat during the summer. Our best charter day this summer was drifting close in about 25-70ft of water. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying uptiding doesn't work, because clearly it does, but I think casting is not required.

I like your comment rearding the whole uptiding specific gear like rods etc. An excuse to sell you more equipment perchance?

Try standing on a charter boat with twelve 10ft rods being cast out................not for me thanks, I value my health!

 

[Joe-m]

I agree with everything you just said I have also caught some big cod directly uder my boat in very shallow water at Beadnell area 35 - 50 ft but as I boat drifts in a flat sea it makes very little noise but when anchored in a choppy sea the noise must be amplified many times sometimes it's bad enough in the boat so that's the theory, when castings skipper's usually insists you place your lead outside the boat when you cast, in my opinion if you not catching it's worth a try

 

[Pighunter]

uptiding was supposedly invented by Cox and Rawle two Thames Estuary charter skipper which on the back of it created a market for uptide rods, uptide hooks, weights etc. the principle of it is in shallow water the anchor rope and boat especially semi triple hulls eg. offshores create a large scare area for big fish the idea was to cast uptide and out from the boat with a grip lead, let out a bow of line, and allow the fish to hook itself against the gripper and pull it out, this casting out was in order to clear the scare area a couple on the back can fish down tide as normal only effective in around 100ft max so they say they had good results with this method in the 70s and uptiding was born hope this explains it, must have been in the bath and put his head under the water and come up with the theory, but I can see the logic in it normally at anchor a couple at the back of the boat trotting their gear down tide out of the scare area does well.

Superb knowlage as always, you really know your stuff.

 

[steppeydog]

would my 7ft 6inc 20-30lb ugly stick be ok to use or would i be better off with my 12lb class rod

 

[kayos]

would my 7ft 6inc 20-30lb ugly stick be ok to use or would i be better off with my 12lb class rod

Either would be fine.

 

[aury]

Hi
If you are using rods like that, you will never achieve the desired result. Uptide rods are usually 9ft 6in plus & purpose made for the job intended.
Regards
Aury

 

[Scrubbs]

Hi
If you are using rods like that, you will never achieve the desired result. Uptide rods are usually 9ft 6in plus & purpose made for the job intended.
Regards
Aury

yeah.............right.........

 

[canman]

I always felt that casting up tide with a grip lead was most idealy suited to quite clean ground and keep your bait anchored to the bottom. In rough ground, lot more chance of solid fast holds.
The anglers nearest to the bow of the boat should cast the furthest up tide if there are six rods a side, then the next angler down a little less, and so on down each side of the boat.
In theory,
that all sounds good, but with big bows in the lines, once someone has pulled in, problems can easily set in
The main thing is, it means a dozen anglers can fish at anchor without all the baits streeming out the back of the boat.

 

[big cod]

The idea of uptiding was originally boats fishing in very shallow water with a big riptide going past and to keep your line away from the boat the noise from boat in the tide was supposed to frighen the fish are quite sure about that.

I would say its 98% downtiding which is done on my vessel especially if you are fishing very hard ground boulders etc gear loss and fish loss is massive if you cast uptide as soon as your breakaway is broken by a fish very often you get jammed up so it a lot easyer to go downtide snags a lot less and getting fish jammed up a lot less .

The main reason casting away from the boat at slightly different angles spreads the lines out and widens the scent trail just out of curiosity i have seen the majority of big cod caught uptiding on sea-otter 2 where lads have just dropped down makes a can make a bit of a difference in your fishing when you cast downtide as you putting your bait away from everybody elses but the main thing is to spead the lines for less tangles etc .

paul.