Whats going on?
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mark
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what we are seeing is perhaps the final nail being hammered in the coffin of free speech.
how can any rational organisation bleive that a 2nd rate cartoon of the the prophet is more offensive to the \'peace loving\' religion of islam, than a video of a man having his head sawn off in the same prophets name
So we send the message out to them \"we are so scared of you, we are going give up one of the fundemental principals of our society\"
might seem like a small thing, but this is a massive turning point, and not one for the good.
the UK press are spineless, but we knew that already
how can any rational organisation bleive that a 2nd rate cartoon of the the prophet is more offensive to the \'peace loving\' religion of islam, than a video of a man having his head sawn off in the same prophets name
So we send the message out to them \"we are so scared of you, we are going give up one of the fundemental principals of our society\"
might seem like a small thing, but this is a massive turning point, and not one for the good.
the UK press are spineless, but we knew that already
The BNP leader & his sidekick were put on trial (and will be retried) for \"with inciting racial hatred\" for saying that \"Islam is a wicked faith.\"
A woman appearing on a radio show was interviewed by police for saying that she didn\'t think gay couples should be able to adopt children.
Here is a photograph of demonstrators in London yesterday
http://tinyurl.com/azf4o
They are holding aloft placards saying...
\"Exterminate those who slander Islam\"
\"Massacre those who slander Islam\"
In other pictures of the same event shown here (they can\'t be reposted)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006050831,00.html
... placards are visible saying...
\"Behead those who insult Islam\"
\"Europe, Your 9/11 will come\"
and
\"Whoever insults a prophet, kill him\"
This was on the streets of London
Is there not a crime of incitement to commit a crime?
Is murder a crime?
Are they inciting people to murder?
Were there any arrests?
Will anyone be put on trial? :casstet:
A woman appearing on a radio show was interviewed by police for saying that she didn\'t think gay couples should be able to adopt children.
Here is a photograph of demonstrators in London yesterday
http://tinyurl.com/azf4o
They are holding aloft placards saying...
\"Exterminate those who slander Islam\"
\"Massacre those who slander Islam\"
In other pictures of the same event shown here (they can\'t be reposted)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006050831,00.html
... placards are visible saying...
\"Behead those who insult Islam\"
\"Europe, Your 9/11 will come\"
and
\"Whoever insults a prophet, kill him\"
This was on the streets of London
Is there not a crime of incitement to commit a crime?
Is murder a crime?
Are they inciting people to murder?
Were there any arrests?
Will anyone be put on trial? :casstet:
Davyred
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Couldn\'t have put it better myself Marc.
Yesterday was a classic case of one rule for one, one for another.
On one hand an individual is arrested over offensive cartoons, yet dozens are allowed to display various banners and wear clothing which is in poor taste to say the least, in a city where, on one july morning last year, so many people lost their lives to suicide bombers of one belief.
Yesterday was a classic case of one rule for one, one for another.
On one hand an individual is arrested over offensive cartoons, yet dozens are allowed to display various banners and wear clothing which is in poor taste to say the least, in a city where, on one july morning last year, so many people lost their lives to suicide bombers of one belief.
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TC
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Just before this topic kicks off big time, I\'m gonna say that I totally agree with what has been posted (so far).
I too was disgusted as the sights witnessed on the TV and felt pretty much the same previous posters.
This topic COULD turn into a really good thread / discussion..........DON\'T SPOIL IT !
s far as the argument about \"free speech\" goes.....(lost count of the number of times I\'ve had to say this), there is NO \"free speech\" on the \'net.......there are always consequences which go with what is posted.
As I\'ve again said, many times, it\'s Elton and me who would face those consequences - not the person who makes the post. I won\'t carry ANY can for ANYBODY.
So.....keep the discussion going, I\'m all for that. After all, this IS a very important subject. Remember, this topic started off in response to how the Government and the police act on the \"incitement\" issue.......NOT a \"free-for-all\" on the Muslim faith.
LET\'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
I too was disgusted as the sights witnessed on the TV and felt pretty much the same previous posters.
This topic COULD turn into a really good thread / discussion..........DON\'T SPOIL IT !
s far as the argument about \"free speech\" goes.....(lost count of the number of times I\'ve had to say this), there is NO \"free speech\" on the \'net.......there are always consequences which go with what is posted.
As I\'ve again said, many times, it\'s Elton and me who would face those consequences - not the person who makes the post. I won\'t carry ANY can for ANYBODY.
So.....keep the discussion going, I\'m all for that. After all, this IS a very important subject. Remember, this topic started off in response to how the Government and the police act on the \"incitement\" issue.......NOT a \"free-for-all\" on the Muslim faith.
LET\'S KEEP IT THAT WAY.
mark
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This has to be a tipping point. In my view, and I\'d hope from a legal frame work, ALL of those placards, are contrary to the \'incitement to cause racila or religious hatred\' bill tony and his cronies fought to get on the statute books last month.
I wonder if there is a clause in that bit of legislation that says, this bill will only be applied if you are a western, caucasian??
tough on crime?? tough on the causes of crime??
very hipocritical. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression is worth defending, and if followeres of islam choose to express thereselves in this way, then so bit, but, only if that right is extended in both directions.
Failure to stand up to these bullying tactics now, sends a very bad message to the head the balls in our midst.
As for deleting posts.... well, thats back to free speech.....If things get deleted because they are racist, well thats one thing, if its because someone wants to voice their opinion about a particular religion, that\'ll be the last anyone hears of me on here
I wonder if there is a clause in that bit of legislation that says, this bill will only be applied if you are a western, caucasian??
tough on crime?? tough on the causes of crime??
very hipocritical. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression is worth defending, and if followeres of islam choose to express thereselves in this way, then so bit, but, only if that right is extended in both directions.
Failure to stand up to these bullying tactics now, sends a very bad message to the head the balls in our midst.
As for deleting posts.... well, thats back to free speech.....If things get deleted because they are racist, well thats one thing, if its because someone wants to voice their opinion about a particular religion, that\'ll be the last anyone hears of me on here
SIXFOOTSTEVE
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Not wanting to give the moderators a reason to delete my post ( I understand your obligations lads ) so I\'m not going to post my true feelings on this ,suffice to say that I\'m disgusted ,appalled and ashamed of the country I love ,as I\'ve posted before I\'d move to Australia tomorrow if my kids wheren\'t so far into their education here.
I know it would only be a solution for MY family but this country is only going to get worse ,it simply can\'t get better as the rot has not only set in but taken over !!!!!
[Edited on 5/2/2006 by SIXFOOTSTEVE]
I know it would only be a solution for MY family but this country is only going to get worse ,it simply can\'t get better as the rot has not only set in but taken over !!!!!
[Edited on 5/2/2006 by SIXFOOTSTEVE]
mickthefish
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free speech??? unless you were born here , work here , pay taxes & love the country.
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