hi bazz ,yes a difficult one but were does the answer lie,actualy kellands cast of 300yds plus years ago with 175grm lead not just the one cast but a few was at a sea angler organised casting comp hence it was said it was,nt a wr. it looks to me as if everything is getting to complicated these days like all these european laws.off topic a little here but is there a record for the 125lead on the ,31dia line its just i might go for it .what are the records for nesa just to give me summit to aim for