Illegal fishing marks...right or wrong?

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blackcat

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just wondered on peoples views on certain fishing marks what are illegal (trespassing-out of bounds-dangerous) to fish......tynemouth....roker south pier...hendon lane,tanks..cairnryan jetty...just to name a few...

a lot of people still fish them but how long wil it be before there is a death (god forbid) for the sake of catching a fish?

the yearn to catch a big fish is that strong for anglers to risk life and limb is so strong im saying people will actually risk there ife to catch it.....?
 
Interesting question bc - IMO marks are not necessarily made illegal due to health and safey issues, it's more often down to land ownership. In that case IMO if you know what you're doing, fish it - if you get collared fair enough. Some marks such as the Tynemouth pier are safe as houses. Legal shots like many of the rock marks up North are dodgy as owt if you don't know what you're doing. Fish the bays round Marsden and you could end up in trouble when mr tide says hello. Most of the time again IMHO marks are closed down due to anti social behaviour, rubbish, parking problems etc. Nothing to do with risk.
 
Tynemouth pier safe as houses "two anglers drowned over the years, and a few serious injuries while climbing over gate, Hendon, i believe at least one drowned and many near misses, one by one of our members not so long ago, Roker pier I know anglers have been swept off, not sure if any fatal, Cairn Ryan "breakers yard, many anglers injured due to falls, not sure if there has been any fatalities, maybe one of our West Coast Scotland members can put us right there.
 
I think theres a big difference between Dangerous places for "responsable" ;) people and Irresponsable people, doing any kind of sport entales some risk at some point normally foul in the bottem half :o, fishing to me is more dangerous but you can prevent the danger to an extent. Theirs only one thing you can't, mother nature, 1 second the peirs there the next its not. But if you dwell on things like that then you'll end up not enjoying the sport, i went fishing on marsden cliffs for the first time couple of weeks ago got past a fence (aspestos dumping) and got upto the cliff and S**t myself but i still fished cause i enjoyed it. (stayed from the edge for an hour or 2 at first) anyways im ranting, how many freak waves you seen? now work out how many anglers you've seen get the brunt of one, then work out the average amout of anglers every day, all in all a pretty safe sport, and if your that worried about waves etc, wear a life jacket.. not being funny.
 
Only problem is if you get yourself into **** then 9 times out of 10 it is someone else that has to risk their well being to get you out.
If you insist on climbing over gates,around barriers,through fences etc to get onto a mark that is clearly signed no entry then get trapped,twist an ankle or harm yourself in some way and have to be rescued you should be presented with a bill for the rescue.
Fishing is a hobby and if you don't cath then big deal.
It is not worth risking your life nor expecting others to risk theirs.
Sorry but people sometimes seems to get wrapped up in the "gotta catch" frame of mind and act like idiots.
 
roker pier
i have seen a man washed away if it had not been for mesh fencing he would have been swept in to the bay .that place can be deadly the tide drops abit and the waves run back up the pier
 
common sense always applies. There will always be a risk when fishing, regardless of if it's an illegal shot or not. A big sea or a dangerous structure increases that risk. The poor bloke that drowned off Tynemouth pier was swept off at the four posts, only 50M along the pier. He probably thought he was safe so close in.
Spend a couple of minutes to do a "risk assesment", what can go wrong & where will I end up!.
 
when we fished roker peir there was a wave came rolling along the wall next to the drum end and washed my box and bait to the other side of the peir if the mesh fence wasn't there i would of lost the lot in the bay never to been seen again.
 
tynemouth pier is a tricky one to judge as 1 min the sea can be calm and then the next its over the top of the pier. even wearing a life jacket or floataion suit wont always save you it will just make finding you that little bit easier. all it takes is a fall and a knock on the head and your pretty much a gonner.
 
As someone who's fished all his life in the Sunderland area, I've done more than my fair share of 'trespassing', whether it be Hendon docks, the South Pier, or Roker pier when its been shut.

I can understand lowriders point of view regarding putting others at risk, just because you want to catch a fish from somewhere you shouldn't be.

Myself and Mick65 regularly used to run off Roker pier at high water during big seas - not the safest thing to do, I accept, but a lot of thought and research went into our fishing sessions. We'd analyse the weather forecast, particularly wind strength and direction, and what we also learnt was that there were a cycle of wave heights that hit the pier. Whether you believe this or not is up to you, but it never once failed us.

We were only ever caught out once. We went on at Low water as per normal, but by half tide, we knew this sea was bigger than it should have been, so got off straightaway. We returned to the pier at high water to see the roundhead regularly getting swamped. Experience had saved us. When we got back, we looked into how that sea had been bigger than expected, and learnt from it.

My point is, there are a lot of inexperienced anglers out there who really haven't a clue - we've all seen them. These are the people we should be worried about. The trouble nowadays is the internet is a mine of information. If you want information on a mark, you do a search, ask the question on a forum, and the answers there. But how do you get information about how the sea is affected by different wind strengths/directions against different stages of the tide? You have to get out there and do your homework, like myself and countless numbers of older anglers have done through the years. Unfortunately, in these days of 'I want it now', that doesn't happen anymore.

I'll continue to fish from Roker, the South and Hendon as I've done it all my life, but I won't risk my life to do it.
 
well siad mate fished some of these marks myself and wont attemp them if the sea is too big id rather wait till it drops off or try low water time and observe as it floods if its looking naughty i will rap up and leave or go to a secure part of the mark
 
the wind tide and sea state will all have an effect on where and when you can fish a mark it is down to common sense if you decide to fish or not but if we do have to be rescued then yes we should have to pay for it . as for climbing over gates to gain access to piers again its down to yourself but dont complain if you get caught and fined
 
ecoli said:
the wind tide and sea state will all have an effect on where and when you can fish a mark it is down to common sense if you decide to fish or not but if we do have to be rescued then yes we should have to pay for it . as for climbing over gates to gain access to piers again its down to yourself but dont complain if you get caught and fined
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I'd never complain, its the risk I take.

I've been caught once on the South pier by a jobsworth security guard. The guard on the previous shift actually waved to us as we were going on. He came on, and down came the police.

To be fair, the police were really sympathetic, telling me that we were doing no harm, but they had to come down as he'd phoned it in. They took my name and address, but I've heard nothing about it.
 
davyred everyman for themselves you know the risks ...but you are quite contradicting yourself by saying ,you and your mate have to run off the pier, obviously because of the dangerous conditions....im only saying this because i know for a fact now the cod season is getting a grip anglers "will" risk there lives and the lives of the lifeboat rescuers because of there yearning for big fish off illegal marks.

the marks i mentioned are illegal not just because of land ownership but because of they being sea defence walls obviously not for fishing off in extreme conditions

im not being a killjoy either its just i know i will read in the coming 3 months of storys concerning anglers safety from these marks and may others
 
blackcat said:
the marks i mentioned are illegal not just because of land ownership but because of they being sea defence walls obviously not for fishing off in extreme conditions

im not being a killjoy either its just i know i will read in the coming 3 months of storys concerning anglers safety from these marks and may others
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So how come they used to use a permit system for the South pier for years, and Hendon docks was open to the public for years as well?

The South was closed because the foundations were deemed unsafe (the official reason). The unofficial reason was they were sick of some 'anglers' having a walk around the docks, seeing what they could pick up along the way.

Hendon wall has always been dangerous, but like I said, it didn't stop the Port Authority opening it to the public.

I think I was quite right in what I said, that its the inexperienced angler you should worry about, but how do you educate them? You can't even get them to pick their own rubbish up without getting a mouthful of abuse.

blackcat said:
davyred everyman for themselves you know the risks ...but you are quite contradicting yourself by saying ,you and your mate have to run off the pier, obviously because of the dangerous conditions.
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I was using this as an example of how you can use your experience to gauge how dangerous the conditions are, and also that its up to individual interpretation. As an example, I took a friend down Roker one night in conditions I didn't think were unsafe, but my mate did, as he'd never fished the place before, and when he saw a swell hit the pier and white water splash up, he didn't like it. So my interpretation of dangerous is different to his, and so yours will be to mine.

As for running off, we used our method of judging the swell very well and to be honest, we could of walked off. Bear in mind I'm only talking of a jog here between the neck end and the first steps opposite the old concrete posts. It was all down to knowledge and experience.

Ultimately it is down to education, knowing when not to risk it.
 
Little anecdote... I managed to prang my ankle on Tynemouth Pier a few years ago. In agony. Couldn't climb the gate. On my own. Freezing cold. Going into panicky shock. Who should I phone? Police? Lifeboat? Oh, no. Mates? My mam? It was 1am. Eventually tried to climb the gate and very nearly fell.

Entirely my own stupid fault I know, and i know that sea fishing is always a bit dangerous, but it really made me think, like.
 
I'd say it's not worth the risk at all, even tho i've had some good fish from tynemouth pier.
I've just got back into sea fishing after 8 years because i nearly lost my life on that pier (i did loose every bit of tackle i had with me at the time) it was two hours after high water when a freak wave came over the top and took all of my gear, luckily i heard the wave coming and hid in one of the archways, that flooded up to my chest, i only survived not getting pulled in by braceing myself against the wall's of the archway. So if you do insist on fishing it, then please be carefull, no fish is worth loosing your life for.

I only wish i knew about these forums back then because i would have known about the better marks on our coast line that are more productive and in my eyes a lot safer.
 
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