edibles/cart/cooked carb
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leeskinner007
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just checked that alan below is the bye law
Prohibition on Use of Edible Crab (Cancer pagurus) for Bait
(1) No person shall use any edible crab (Cancer pagurus) for bait and Section 17(2) of the Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967, which affords a defence to a person charged with an offence under Section 17(1) of that Act, shall not apply within the district.
(2) Nothing in this byelaw shall prohibit the use of cooked crab offal as bait.
Prohibition on Use of Edible Crab (Cancer pagurus) for Bait
(1) No person shall use any edible crab (Cancer pagurus) for bait and Section 17(2) of the Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967, which affords a defence to a person charged with an offence under Section 17(1) of that Act, shall not apply within the district.
(2) Nothing in this byelaw shall prohibit the use of cooked crab offal as bait.
codcatcher3000
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the operating word is probably offal
the info I have came straight from NIFCA obviously the bits and pieces left over "offal" can be used but not the main flesh
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tonyfromalnwick
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That's the daft bit.
Shops can sell it, but you can't use it !
remove and cook the claws of your edible crab... discard the rest which then becomes classed as offal...
definition of Offal is the waste or by product from a process
a/ trimmings of a hide
b/ the by products of milling used especially for animal feed
c/ the trimmings from a butchered animal
now prepare your crab offal as bait anyway you prefer...
the next interpretation is the main one...
(2) Nothing in this byelaw shall prohibit the use of cooked crab offal as bait.
does it mean "cooked crab" offal where the crab has been cooked after the offal has been removed
or does it mean the crab offal has been "cooked" ...which would make cart pretty useless as a bait i think...
even though it will probably be one offence that will be least likely to be brought to court, i for one would not like to be the first offender in court... as the ruling would be treated as a test case and would either be a heavy fine or thrown out..
cheers
Paul
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david.northeast
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Does this mean you cant use cart anywhere around the country as i thought it was only illegal north if the tyne
this is the area Northumberland Inshore Fisheries & Conservation Authority (NIFCA) where the limitations are ... if the byelaw are interpreted that way !!
codcatcher3000
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i'll stick to lug , rag, peeler, mussel, squid, mackerel, bluey, sandeel, limpets, and chicken dippers just to be safe 
jamiebrennan
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has to be asda chicken dippers tho, the real i ams are barred
tubbie2shoes
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Is this enforced by the fisheries commission or other enforcing body or is it assumed that anglers will obey the bye laws
jamiebrennan
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How can they prove that someone was using an edible crab as bait? It must be nigh on impossible, surely they will try and clamp down on the sellers if they are going to try and stop it?
codseeker
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fished beadnelle last neet me marra used cart bait .. a says ya get wrang man they hiding under watter in scuba gear waiting for ya to cast oot 
anyways it never happened the lucky fkr caught 2 coalies on it whilst i blanked if ya want hes name and address pm asap
forgot to add we ended up on a jarrow mark later on to catch the last couple of hours of the flood a found some nice fresh crab old bait ups i hoyed on someone left . and after the bestest moan of all time it prouduced the best coddy of the night maybe close to 3lb but he did manage a 2lber after he moaned about my moaning tactics hahaha
anyways it never happened the lucky fkr caught 2 coalies on it whilst i blanked if ya want hes name and address pm asap
forgot to add we ended up on a jarrow mark later on to catch the last couple of hours of the flood a found some nice fresh crab old bait ups i hoyed on someone left . and after the bestest moan of all time it prouduced the best coddy of the night maybe close to 3lb but he did manage a 2lber after he moaned about my moaning tactics hahaha
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leeskinner007
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just wondering how it works as tonight at sluice there were a few dead but fresh edible crabs that had been washed up if and not saying i would lol was to use them as cart would that be illegal as they would just get washed out to sea anyway hmmmm
craigmlormor
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Are we actually talking about crab that we buy from a fish shop and eat, I dont understand why you wouldnt be allowed to use it? some one tell me please.
salmon bob
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Im sure this only applies to pot bait for crabs and lobster
no, applies to anglers as well
Nifca
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OK I have bought this bye-law up in the new NIFCA bye- law review it is technically illegal in Northumberland and North Eastern south of the Tyne. It was never intended for recreational fishermen and was to stop undersized crabs being used as pot bait a very recent prosecution in Northumberland saw a £6,000 fine to a commercial fisherman for using edible crab in his pots. I have the subject on the agenda for the next NIFCA meeting I also believe North Eastern are reviewing the Bye-law.To prove a offence when using cart I believe some form of analysis would have to take place and I could not see NIFCA spending money on that as budgets are tight.The bye- law is old and in my view out of date but it means what it states it is illegal to use Edible crab no matter if you purchased it in a Plymouth supermarket of found it dead on the beach with the cooked offal exception. This bye- law only applies in Northumberland and North Eastern IFCA area and to no other parts of England. This is enforced by the warranted IFCOs of Northumberland with a maximum penalty of would you believe £50,000 this increased recently after the Marine and coastal Act became law from £5,000. I will keep you updated and if any of you feel strongly about it being reviewed contact me you are all stakeholders.
Nifca
OK I have bought this bye-law up in the new NIFCA bye- law review it is technically illegal in Northumberland and North Eastern south of the Tyne. It was never intended for recreational fishermen and was to stop undersized crabs being used as pot bait a very recent prosecution in Northumberland saw a £6,000 fine to a commercial fisherman for using edible crab in his pots. I have the subject on the agenda for the next NIFCA meeting I also believe North Eastern are reviewing the Bye-law.To prove a offence when using cart I believe some form of analysis would have to take place and I could not see NIFCA spending money on that as budgets are tight.The bye- law is old and in my view out of date but it means what it states it is illegal to use Edible crab no matter if you purchased it in a Plymouth supermarket of found it dead on the beach with the cooked offal exception. This bye- law only applies in Northumberland and North Eastern IFCA area and to no other parts of England. This is enforced by the warranted IFCOs of Northumberland with a maximum penalty of would you believe £50,000 this increased recently after the Marine and coastal Act became law from £5,000. I will keep you updated and if any of you feel strongly about it being reviewed contact me you are all stakeholders.
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