FISHING KELP

[TC]

MASSIVE tides next weekend and into the 1st part of the following week..........fancy trying (again) fishing some of the more kelpy areas (VERY kelpy areas) that become exposed during these BIG tides.

There\'s 1 in particular that looks like it could throw out a decent redcod or 2. I\'ve tried fishing it a couple of times in the past at very L/W but without any success - and lost a huge amount of tackle in the process.

Question for the heavy ground lads:-

Are there any do\'s & don\'t\'s I should make a note of for fishing kelp beds?

For example:
With these areas only becoming exposed during BIG tides (resulting in a lot of tidal pull), I\'ve used 6oz grippers - would a plain 6oz weight be better?

Should I use my usual pully rigs (short ones) or opt for a simple, 3 way swivel rig?

Should I be actually casting INTO the kelp itself, anyway....or casting just outside the kelp bed area?

Just watch.......after going through all this, it\'ll be reet miserable next weekend, with a howling Easterly blowing and massive seas stopping me from getting out to them....lol

[Edited on 14/8/2005 by TC]

 

[Stores]

Excellent question Tony. Here\'s my thoughts...

I use a 7 oz plain lead and lose loads of them in a bit of sea as they do exactly what happens on the top... so if there\'s a metre swell on at the surface.....there\'s a metre swell on 10 feet below. Grip leads therefore have their place.

With regards to rigs the more there is on a rig the more there is to get stuck. Stick with a 3 way set up, nice and short with no fancy bits and bobs.

With regard to the weir beds.... GET IN THERE... that\'s where they are, unless there is a definite line of weirs where the fish can cruise along the edge of them, eg the Lobster Pots at Sharpness. Otherwise weir codling only get red because of one thing - the weirs.

ps Have always found big tides non productive on most NE marks sorry

[Edited on 14/8/2005 by Stores]

 

[bribones]

good luck lol ,to be honest i dont think itl make any odds if you get a bite as the fish dive straight into the kelp anyway and youl have a hell of a job pulling the buggers out ,me personaly id go for something streamlined, pully will prob work as it draws up the weight after the fish so to speak

and what he said ^

 

[jordy]

Tony most of my rigs i use i dont use any swivels at all.I just make blood loops at the top of the rig and to hold the snood and tie a rotter on the bottom.

 

[MikeR]

Same as Jordy (apart from a swivel at the top). I\'ve got a diagram of the rig here:

http://www.photorecce.co.uk/rigs/roughground.html

Beauty is that when the hook is knackered of the snood breaks it\'s easy to change as it\'s attached loop to loop with the body.

 

[Hiram.A.Biff]

Tony. use one of my links. thats what they were designed for., youll lose the lead, nowt else.and your bait will stay clipped on till it hits the bottom.

 

[gogs]

same as David apart from 3 way swivels,cant stand em lol like mine streamlined and had no probs.
i always use spikes aswell wether its flat calm or rough it helps stop the trace falling into snags/boulders.
and a rotten bottom like pauls is a must.
also like david says the biggest tides are not always the most productive but there are marks that excell on these tides,the ones you have your eye on might be one of those

 

[micky-quayle]

simple one hook rig (i fish the hook snood shorter than most people, about 12 \" is about right), rotten bottom, if possible fish the edge of the kelp bed this is the area the fish patrol. i soon learned when i was piking that fish love patroling the edge of features wether it be weedbeds or drop offs. i\'ve found the same applies to sea fishing. also take a good selection of bait obviously crab is normally the no 1 bait but worm does have its moments when fishing weedy gullies, if youre going to be fishing a couple of rods give half a snake launce a try on the spare rod, very under rated bait in such situations !
nearly forgot, i fish as light a lead as i can feasably get away with, i tend to think that if the bait (and lead) can move around in the current for 30 seconds or so the current will take it to where other tasty morsels will be taken on the tide and you can bet the fish know the areas to wait for a tasty meal coming along, don\'t like to go stupidly light just as light as is practical.
i realise my methods are a little bit out of the ordinary but they do the biz for me.

 

[TC]

Thanks for all the suggestions / advice, lads.

Nice to see the (sometimes) different methods used to address the same situation.

I\'ll probably try a couple of different methods over next weekend.

I\'ve always used the short pulley (12\") lobbed right into the kelp bed - time to try a different plan......lol.

Like you, Gordon - I\'ve never been a great fan of the 3 way swivel, but after seeing Davids\' \"Rock Set-Up\" diagram in his book, I thought I\'d give it a go.

Interesting to read about the unproductive big tides...........one to definitely bear in mind. Lol Gordon - knowing my luck it\'ll be one of the unproductive ones......hahahaha.

[Edited on 15/8/2005 by TC]

 

[Red5]

Like everyone has said, keep your rigs simple, 30lb line, rotten bottom, single hook flapper, plain sinker. I prefer pulley rigs on clean ground but then everyone has their preference

 

[STEVO]

like everyone else single hook rotten bottom big baits minimises tackle losses...The big tides merely expose more holes and kelp beds to fish as fish that live in the kelp are resident fish and aren\'t affeected by tide movement

 

[TC]

Well........hitting the kelp beds at around 10:30 tomorrow.......will post the non-catch and tackle loss reports when I get back......hahahahaha.......still.........it\'s gotta be better than being at work ! !

 

[Charlton]

Only thing i would add TC is to use soft wire spiders, they stop your sinker going into cracks in the rock and when pulled through weed they jusy straighten.

 

[TC]

Noted, Alan

 

[gogs]

good luck with your wee trip to the kelp tomorrow Tony.mind on these big tides it floods really fast so keep a eye on your exit from the rock ends.

 

[TC]

Cheers Gordon.

Aye you\'ve gotta watch your back at this shot as the tide does tend to come in behind you. I\'ve fished it a couple of times in the past at very L/W and always err on the safe side regrding when to move off the mark.

 

[MickA]

Where you off to TC.

Got a little job to sort out with the car (fingers crossed it doesn\'t turn into a big job) then I\'m off for some bait and out for a shot over low water.

 

[TC]

Sorry Mick.......just back in about half an hour ago......didn\'t see this before I left thismorning

Got there about 10:45 to be greeted by a howling wind and then it started raining..........hmmmm......the omens weren\'t looking good.

Varied the styles.....casting right INTO the kelp / casting into the clearer bits - using plain sinkers / using grippers........By the way, Paul - those \"cannylinks\" are just that, m8 )

I had a couple of canny knocks but nothing came of them.
Ian had a nice 2 to 2 and a half pound redcod on but lost it close in in the kelp......annoying really - it was only a cople of yards off being landed. Moved to the next gulley........out on the end.....only had time for 2 casts as the tide was ripping back in by now. As it turned out - we still had to wade chest deep at one point on the way back to safer ground.

Met Kenny and Kyle Gray when we were there......they were out looking for peeler.......don\'t think they were having much luck.

Spent the rest of the afternoon at mark 44 on Shields Pier......nothing much doing there, either.......lol......although Ian did get a couple of decent sized coalies - both returned.

Met Richy and his mam down there again.....becoming a bit of a habbit, that.......also had a bit of a chat with young Stephen as we were leaving..........CRIKEY.....it sounds like a NESA outing.

 

[TC]

Forgot to say.........
I did mean to take the little digital camera with me......but forgot it.

However, if anybody would like a HIGHLY detailed aeriel photo of the area we were fishing (taken during a VERY big L/W), PM me and I\'ll e-mail you.
Believe me - you\'ll not find any aeriel photos as detailed as these on the \'net !!

 

[willywetegg]

Never mind the aeriel photo, just let me know next time you are going as I have never blanked there before lol.

Jim.